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Old 09-02-2025, 10:09 AM   #5247
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"At no point did I mention Tesla or Elon Musk except when i used the term most associated with Tesla's self driving car efforts."


I don't oppose self driving and advanced safety features. Some companies are working in the proper manner towards that. I can't wait until I can trust my car to drive for me. What I do oppose is a company that has been claiming for a decade their cars can drive themselves, and permitted anyone dumb enoguh to pay $10k to be beta testers on public roads, with zero instruction on how to beta test, the safety issues involved, and after many repeated failures to follow even the most basic of instructions, not having their ability to risk the lives of other users revoked permanently.


As you said, insurance will be a key indicator. And if you haven't noticed, no insurance company, including Tesla's own, has agreed to take any responsibility for Tesla's "self driving" and until they do, it's all just a Elon Kool-Aid BS. How many more years of being lied to do you need to go before you catch on that he's lying to you?
Self driving cars are awesome. I use waymo 100% of the time when I'm in San Francisco, and it's great. I think their plan of "put all the sensors to make it work and then iterate to save costs" is way better than Tesla's "put cameras and iterate to get it to work". Wayno works now. And with mass production/tech advances the cost of that sensor package will keep dropping and they'll probably find some are redundant.

I'd love to own a self driving car. I could watch sports on my phone and read cp instead of driving.
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