[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

My definition of ironclad is essentially zero chance. 3 out of 16 to me is no longer ironclad. Plus, I do think there could be 1-2 teams outside the playoffs by the deadline who like their chances too - a young team on the rise, or perhaps a contender that had a poor stretch, but are back on track.


Also, when does the list need to be submitted by, and how long does it remain in effect for? Does Kadri submit his list on July 1st? The day before the season opens? Or is it by Conroy's request, and if so, does it last 30 days? A full season? Depending on this, it could definitely add a few options to the list.


Even ignoring the above, I am not sure that Kadri and his agent just pick off 13 teams that are in a playoff spot. If he had an expiring contract, then definitely this would be the way to go. I do think because of the term, there may be a couple of teams that would feel more comfortable spending assets on him, even if they end up not making the playoffs that season. Unlikely, yes, but I do think that is a consideration I would be looking at if I am Kadri.



It will be interesting next season to see if he stays or goes. I see value both ways - trading him, or keeping him around as a grizzled vet through the rebuild. I try to put myself in Kadri's shoes, and if I want as much control as possible in my destination, this upcoming season's deadline is my best bet. After that, I can make things difficult for them. However, I may be happy to go 1-2 destinations, but the Flames will have an additional 1 minimum, and up to 4 total other options to move me to. Do I worry about it, or do I approach Conroy this season?



I am just not convinced of anything definitive either way. Lots of players with term get traded, and often they were happy to remain where they were. No idea when - or even if - Kadri gets traded. My argument is simply that Kadri's best chance at engineering a trade to a particular destination is this season. After that, it opens up, and there will be more options available to the Flames, regardless of how well he picks his list, even trying to adjust for teams' respective center depths.

It could be a number of situations for the NTL. It might be a July 1st thing or it might be on demand. But, pretend for a moment that it is a July 1st thing. Like I posted a couple of pages back, it would be easy for Kadri and his agent to craft a list that essentially eliminates the chance of him being traded.

Originally Posted by Wolven

Kadri and his agent will be able to sit down and look at the league to figure out how best to use those 13 spots on the list to effectively make it full control for the player. They can skip teams who have strong center depth and are almost certainly not interested in trading for him (for example: Sharks, Ducks, Stars, Oilers, Devils, Panthers, Lightning, VGK, Senators, Blues, Mammoth, etc) and they can also skip adding teams that are not going to be buying this season (Penguins, Flyers).

13 team no trade list vs. 18 teams not on the list (1 team currently with)

19 teams not on the list:

• Flames
• Penguins, Flyers = No risk that they would spend assets to acquire Kadri as they look to be tanking
• Stars, Oilers, Devils, Panthers, Lightning, VGK, Senators, Rangers, Bruins = Teams with 2-3 established centers and no cap space for Kadri
• Kraken, Mammoth, Sharks, Ducks, Blackhawks, Hurricane = Teams that might have cap space but already have 2-3 centers (no desire to add another C with 4 years term left)
• Leafs = Teams that might want Kadri but do not have the cap space or assets to trade for him

Potential 13 team no trade list
Canadiens, Islanders, Capitals, Jets, Sabres, Blues, Red Wings, Blue Jackets, Kings, Canucks, Predators, Wild, Avalanche

I am not sure how many of these teams would actually need to be on the list. Predators, Kings, and Avalanche all seem unlikely to be after Kadri for various reasons. Namely, the Preds are a mess and another vet won't fix that and Kings and Avs have no cap space and look to have their C depth figured out for now. Maybe switch one of them with the Blackhawks and Mammoth in case they want to upgrade their GAF meter.

I am sure you can play with the list yourself a bit and see how you can use a 13 team NTL to eliminate most or all of the viable trade partners. Even if you have the case where a team has one of their Cs get injured (like the Devils and Hughes) they are unlikely to pick up a guy with 4 years left on his contract to be a stop gap while their guy recovers.