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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
And in San Jose's case they didn't really tank or do what people are asking the Flames which is trade all their vets over night.
Look at the 18-19 roster:"
Burns - Traded July 13 2022
Hertl - Traded March 8 2024
Couture - LTIRetired
Meier - Traded Feb 26 2023
Pavelski - Left as UFA (2019)
Thornton - Left as UFA (2020)
Karlsson - Traded Aug 6 2023
Vlasic - Buyout (2025)
Kane - Released (2019)
Lebanc - Left as UFA (2024)
Donskoi - Left as UFA (2019)
Jones - Left as UFA
Dell - Left as UFA
It took the Sharks 5 seasons (2019 to 2024) to tear down most of the remaining pieces from their prior playoff team, doesn't just happen overnight.
And they didn't initially plan to tank...they traded for Karlsson and Kane in 2018, and then 18 months later were moving on from veterans because they just sucked.
And it's funny people use the Sharks as the example, because actually the Flames traded more pieces in their re-building effort than the Sharks did (Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Markstrom, Toffoli, Mangiapane, Zadorov vs Meier, Hertl, Karlsson, Burns)
What the Sharks were able to do this past season though was acquire guys like Walman, Blackwood, and Granlund that they acquired as cap dumps, but then turned them into 1st / 2nd round picks.
Personally think that's kind of what has alluded the Flames to this point more than not tearing down the old roster fast enough.
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1. I haven't seen anyone say we should emulate the Sharks tear down. In fact they waited WAY to long to tear down and it's one of the reasons it's taken so long. People are saying look at the prospect base they are exiting their rebuild with and thats what the Flames need to aspire too/what we will be competing with
2. They couldn't trade Burns - He's the Huberdeau. Lets see if we eventually can move Huberdeau
2b. They couldn't trade EK until his surprise season and moved him ASAP after that
3. Meier is 28. Hertl is 31. In 18/19 they were 22 and 25. No one (i have seen) is asking the Flames to trade Cornato and Zary for futures to tank. They did that after they got into years 4/5 and realized they are years away still and holding players that will be post apex when you start competing is silly and might cost you the top draft pick / best lottery chance and guaranteed top 3.
SJ has missed playoffs for 6 years. Flames 3. SJ should be coming out of their rebuild and start upswinging next year. Flames should be aiming to come out of their rebuild in ~3 years and on to upswing into the new building.
So the issue is SJ got some elite prospects in years 4-5-6 of the rebuild/missing playoffs.
If the Flames were to get three elite prospects the next few seasons they would be looking fantastic in 3 years for potential. If they get some 13-14-15th overall picks they will have a pretty weak looking roster and guys like Cornato will start approaching the age that SJ decided to trade Meier and Hertl...