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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Moving a few more vets isn’t a plan either. They moved the vast majority of them and were still in the cusp of the playoffs. They actually improved. They could move Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson and still improve. Maybe it’s a “concept of a plan”?
Saying “it only works if you get the elite C first” just isn’t represented by the stats. You’re reading that because that’s what you want it to say. It would have worked for Montreal if Galchenyuk turned out.
It worked for Pittsburgh. Worked for Chicago too.
Pretty sure they were two of the most dominant teams for a stretch of years there. It also worked for Anaheim. And St.Louis.
The list of Stanley Cup winning elite centers that were drafted or acquired before their goaltender is actually pretty small.
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To confirm, the plan is in-fact to hope for an injury to our number one D man and RW ie Gionta and Markov so that we can sink enough one season to get a top 3 pick. Got it. That will also prove the rule for the other 5 examples as well in the last 15 years.
Chicago never had an elite goalie. Pittsburgh bottomed out and didn't lose a beat with Matt Murray.. neither of these are comparable to a Flames team not bottoming out and trying to inch their way into a wild card spot without even a single elite fwd on the roster.
You may want to go back to page 837 for the full writeups on comparables. I'm getting the sense you are just looking at the the second post I made considering you think I moved the goal posts. You will see I've maintained the same position all the way through. The reason I'm using these specific comparable teams is because they are the only ones in a similar situation of not bottoming out having an elite goalie before the elite C and D and attempting the same direction as this current ownership of just trying to make the playoffs.
Pens, Chicago, Tampa are irrelevant because they either bottomed out or floundered enough to still pick in the bottom consistently or in LAs case the goalie came after they already had Kopitar etc.. its not the same situation. There's only 5 or 6 other teams in 15 years in the same pattern and none of them became contenders.
We should move Coleman, Andersson and probably one more. Not because they arent great humans and love to be here and play with their heart and soul blah blah, but because it doesn't work. You can still hang on to some of them Like LA - Kopitar, Doughty and Kempe with Byfield, etc. but you cant keep so many that you cant get a few of those high picks. Still not really comparable though because those vets are going in the HOF. I don't see Weeger , Kadri and Huberdeau on the same level.
Didnt work for Anaheim the John Gibson years they have been awful? They had elite players on the back 9 early in his career before he came on the scene its not a comparable anyway.