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Originally Posted by tkflames
This trial has been a lot of he said / she said - but then you see a picture of the actual room and you realize...this wasn't some guys having pizza in a sitting area while there was an "entertainer" in another part of a large Vegas style suite as the testimonies would have you believe. This was 9+ men circled around a drunk girl for several hours watching as she got humiliated and they laughed "making memories" and then lined up their stories.
I am sure in the guys minds it's a case of "it's not like we pinned her down so it's not rape". But again...think about the f*ed up entitled mindset you would need to have to stand there with your "bros" egging them on to "get in on some action from a 'chick' that one of them had picked up at the bar." Then continue to stand there and eat pizza circled around for not minutes...but hours (taking the tiniest bites ever?).
Morally (perhaps not legally) they are all accessories to a crime. Guys like Bean/Batherson/Howden....best case scenario were gross human beings at the time and now are to weak to just say...what actually happened.
No one (not even the bystanders) has the guts to say that "we wanted to make it a night to remember, we were celebrating...we didn't think it was rape because our definition of rape was pinning her down (which didn't happen) and she seemed like she was going along with it. As the night went on we kept egging each other on to go further and further...you are correct- this wasn't about love or sexual pleasure - this was about celebrating and 'making memories'. Through maturity, education and work in the community over the last 7 years we now see the power dynamic and perspective the other person in this would have had..."
Yes most of the above is me drawing conclusions..but that story is way more likely than..."I got with this girl from the bar, who wanted more after I had sex with her, so she asked me to invite 10+ of my friends and was disappointed that she only got with 5 of them over several hours while the others just stood there eating pizza...Then was more disappointed because the most creative thing we could come up with was to spit on her, slap her ass and teabag her while doing the splits and then was finally even more disappointed that I wouldn't cuddle her after. In hindsight she blames us for being embarrassed in front of her partner and mother".
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This part is correct. The rest of it is your opinion.
From all of the testimony I read there’s more to it than the way you are portraying it.
Per previous comments. The only people who really know what happened were in the room. The rest is pure speculation. A lot of grey if you weren’t there.
Not sure how the judge will make a verdict. Because she can’t speculate.