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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
Your response is equally speculative.
Sure we see what we want to see, that's fandom. We don't have all the back room facts.
Sutter's approach here is exactly the same as he plied elsewhere. Treliving too. Is Murray Edwards to blame for their failures (or successes) elsewhere?
Edwards might see this ownership as community involvement and participation in a sport he loves. But it's nearly impossible to imagine him being involved in the day to day activities of the team the way some fans accuse him of. Maybe really big franchise decisions, or ones where management are on thin ice. I'd be willing to bet he hates having to step in.
It's equally simplistic to blame him for everything. I'm not one for defending billionaires, but that's the position I find myself in reading this board sometimes. That anti Edwards sentiment is what I was responding to, and as I said it's my take without all the facts - just like yours.
I'm not married to it, but until I see facts to refute it I am keeping it.
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Sutter has been the GM of one team and Treliving has one year under his belt in Toronto. So I think your conclusions are a little under cooked.
As for the ‘facts’ you’re speaking to, how would we know what level of engagement ownership has? We’ve heard rumours that some deals have fallen apart due to input from over Treliving getting involved. Ben Bishop, specifically. There were also rumours of Treliving’s wanting more autonomy before he extended after his first deal. Again, there were rumours that after Gaudreau walked Edwards had a conversation with Gaudreau where he tore a strip off him. If Treliving was to blame for that contract negotiation, solely, why wasn’t he fired and why did Edwards/ownership want to keep him as GM then and even a full year later after the Flames missed the playoffs in what has to be one of the most disappointing seasons in recent memory?
For the record, and I’ll reiterate what I said earlier, Treliving deserves criticism. That said, I think he’s only one part of where blame should be directed. I’m interested to see where the Flames and Conroy are at two years from now.