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Originally Posted by TOfan
You’re really stretching.
Most/nearly all GM’s trade picks for depth players while in contention. That’s not a criticism that means much.
7 coaches in 11 years removes all context. Was he supposed to know about Peters? I guess, technically, Geoff Ward counts too. To jog your memory though, Ward took over on an interim basis then there was this thing called the pandemic that hit. So perhaps, maybe, just maybe, the Calgary Flames operating budget changed and, all things being equal, Ward could fill in on a short term basis until things got back to normal. I’ll go out on a limb and say Geoff Ward would have been towards gge bottom of the league on the pay scale for head coaches. If you know anything about Edwards, that would fit the bill. Let’s also bear in mind this was the time Treliving’s started talking to Sutter about the job. I think both have acknowledged that. And the thing about hiring a person is although you can offer them the job, they have to accept it. Maybe Sutter, who had retired, wasn’t convinced he wanted to leave the farm just yet. I’ll connect the dots, Ward was a lame duck. Treliving and ownership wanted Sutter and were willing to be patient.
Your criticism that Marner is on Brad’s watch is also misguided. He had nothing to do with Mariner’s current contract. It’s also well known that he tried to enter negotiations with Mariners camp at multiple points this season. It’s also well known Marner nixed a deal to Carolina for Rantenin. For context, Marner’s NTC, was given to him by a Dubas, not Treliving. In fact, there’s plenty of smoke around the reason Dubas list his job was because of a fundamental difference he had with Shanahan about trading Marner while they could. Shanahan did not want to.
Look, Treliving deserves criticism, all GM’s do, but you looking to blame him for things that weren’t in his control, it weakens your argument.
You may think he’s one of the worst but, if that’s the case, why did the Flames want to keep him and why is he now the GM of the richest/most valuable hockey franchise on the planet? Or maybe number 2 behind the NYR’s.
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Let’s start with the coaches. Bill Peters was an absolutely terrible hire from the moment. It was a criticism I gave to Treliving directly at a season ticket holder event. It was clear he interviewed no one else for the job and Peters had completed 4 of the most mediocre years in Carolina. They buddied up at the Worlds and Treliving had tunnel vision on Peters as his coach. That hire turned into him having to hire Ward and piss away 2 possible playoff runs with Gaudreau/Tkachuk.
I noticed it with Jiri’s comment and I noticed it with yours. When it doubt let’s blame ownership. Sure it is an easy target and most people don’t like how Edwards strong armed the city into the arena deal or doesn’t want to tank but the Flames spend money. The Flames have the bloated management structure with multiple AGM’s and a POHO. They paid Sutter $8M to stay home. They gave Huberdeau the richest contract possible in the form of signing bonuses and buyout proofing the deal. But no they weren’t going to let him sign Gaudreau to a big deal or hire a half decent coach.
I have only brought up Brad being at the helm for losing 2 top 5 scorers for nothing in free agency. He did not sign that contract and it is what it is but not sure how that weakens anything? Does someone read that, disagree, and then decide the rest of the facts are irrelevant?
I look at what Treliving has done in Toronto and I see a lot of the same mistakes. The Leafs have no picks, very few prospects and will rely on free agency to make changes to their team. He is likely going to buy out one of those ridiculous 4 year deals handed out to Kampf and Reeves. He has 3 Dmen over 32 years old signed to 3-5 years more term.
I have no idea why Edwards wanted to keep him? Brad is probably good at managing up and selling the owners they were closer than they were. As for Toronto I think the media fawned over Brad after the “summer of Brad” and praised him for the moves that looked really impressive when you take away the fact those moves were made due to him fumbling our franchise players. The fact the Leafs and Flames wanted him isn’t that great of a stat anyway. Both franchises have 2 playoff series wins each in 20 years.