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Originally Posted by Macho0978
The problem with labeling a player as the shutdown defender is that he has significant more minutes against elite competition.
Bahl and Rasmus were partners most the year and they got
Rasmus - 468 mins against elite
Bahl - 437 mins against elite
Weegar did not play with Rasmus much during the season.
Weegar - 408 mins against elite
The difference isn't that much. It's not like Weegar and the waiver guys they picked up were sheltered.
When you dig into quality of teammate, Weegar gets a way bigger bump in my mind than Rasmus. Rasmus should get a bump as stats show that he played better than -38 against elite competition when looking at scoring chances.
But quality of teammate never gets brought up.
Weegar with Kadri or Backlund vs Elite:
262 mins 10 GF 0 GA
Rasmus with Kadri and Backlund vs Elite:
319 mins 9 GF 9 GA
Rasmus also gets Bahl vs Weegar's Hanley or Miromanov.
IMO everything points to Weegar being hands down this teams #1 dman and every bit as capable to play against elite competition as Rasmus. Paired with a Bahl rather than AHL level dmen, I see Weegar taking over the role as preferred match up against the other team's best players.
I agree with Bingo that Rasmus was miscast due to the Flames having no better options, but IMO he showed that he isn't that guy and I knew he wasn't before the season as him and Hanifin always got lit up against Elite forwards too.
I've said many times, Rasmus was in a role a few years again playing with some elite players and getting #1 pp time, best he could do was 50 points. He was often frustrating on the PP. Tons of PP dmen getting more than 50 points in today's NHL.
So, for me he is a decent 2nd pairing dman that does not excel on the PP or Pk. IMO you can replace him with a Tanev and pay a Tanev $4.5 mil. If this is the case, why would we keep him as Tanev types float around this league yearly.
Why would any team pay 1st rounders for a guy that can be replaced by a veteran defensive dman? We need to trade him this summer and get the best return we can, when Parekh makes this team, he will never see the PP again.
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I don’t really think this answers the question of what we’re arguing. What conclusion are you making here? Because if it really is that he’s a 2nd pairing defenceman who isn’t good on the PP or the PK, easily replaced, and isn’t worth a first but should also be traded now because… something… then I’m not sure who is making the counter point.
The chances of him getting traded are like 90+% and everyone seems fine with that and your position is we should trade him but it’s stupid for other teams to trade for him?