https://open.spotify.com/show/4ndCgHg7YwVq40snQzH2b4
Podcast by author of the NYT article .
Fuzz, I see you posted about Dougan in the AI thread. I didn’t know him but met him a few times. His LEO gossip/disinformation site was an item around here. I have no idea if he knew Trump before he defected but it is highly probable as he was a PBSO deputy, and they cover Mar a Lago.