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Originally Posted by Saqe
LOL with the attitude. Set theory explains this completely. Go learn it before you shout at other people.
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Nobody is shouting. Have a better point before you respond to people.
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
I see PepsiFree (whom I put on ignore long ago) is trying to mock me by spouting from his own apparently inexhaustible supply of ignorance.
Believe you me, when teams keep their own statistics (and they do, copiously) it is not ‘just there to tell you what happened’, but to help them develop strategies and tactics that will allow them to win more games with the players they have available to them. They would not go to the trouble and expense of hiring programmers, statisticians, and the people who do video breakdowns, if they did not believe it would help them win. The public doesn't have access to these proprietary stats, but they are very detailed and granular and cover every area of the game.
But the proprietary stats are not designed to tell you what happened in a particular game. They are designed to identify the habits and limitations of particular players over a span of many games, so the coaches can use practice time more productively, and to spot the strengths and weaknesses of particular teams and systems, so the coaches can adapt their own systems to try to neutralize the strengths and exploit the weaknesses. None of this has anything to do with the statistics seen by fans, and none of it is ever published in a game report in the media.
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It’s a good thing you have me on ignore but still respond to my posts. You’re always so brave, it’s why everyone respects your opinions.
You’re talking about two different things: what stats reveal, and how they’re used. What’s being discussed is what stats reveal, and despite you trying to dispute my position on what stats reveal by talking about how they’re used, you’re supporting it completely and agreeing with me while calling me ignorant (and mocking stats as useless and nerds, before responding by talking about how useful they are lol).. It’s endlessly entertaining watching you embarrass yourself, which is why you’ll never be on my ignore list. Maybe mix in some political opinions so I get peak comedy.
The reason stats can be used to inform training, team strategy, etc is because they tell the whole story. Danielle Fujita isn’t basing her training on whether a player looks “visually slow,” you can bet she’s got, as you said, detailed metrics that include how a player is skating in-game.
What’s important to recognize, which a couple of you are missing so I’ll repeat again, is that “the whole story” is not a magic trick. Just because stats reveal the whole story of what’s happening on the ice does not mean they predict the future, guarantee some infallible team strategy, or make hockey any more or less boring. They’re not for “wanking” or “useless,” they’re literally just data. How they’re used is another story completely. You don’t have to be scared of them or think they’re some mystical voodoo or, worse, that they somehow diminish the mystical voodoo that is hockey.