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Hack&Lube · 07-07-2007, 08:42 PM

BTW, I am a huge music fan, I have DVDs of Live Aid and Live Eight...(did those accomplish anything in the long run? African poverty and debt is as high as ever) I love these big concerts for the opportunities to hear many great bands, especially ones from the past.

And I do care about the environment, I just do not agree whatsoever about the pop-culture sensational frenzy which the movement has taken on. I'm not a global warming skeptic, but I just find it utterly irrational to think that a global concert with have even a drop in the bucket effect on decreasing the world's carbon output in the long run. The people there who are already on the global warming bandwagon are already doing their part. The rest are just there for the music. For the rest of the world, life goes on.

If you want genuine change, you need to provide economic incentive. That's the only rule which people obey in general. If you want to save the environment, you need to show people how you are saving them from a future of unafforable energy and giving them energy economy...not hope that a bunch of rhetoric from hypocritical muscians and songs which have nothing to do with the environment will save the planet. In germany, the government has spawned a mass public adoption of solar panels on the roofs of houses, across vast tracts of farmland, on factories, buildings, along the autobahn, etc. by simply fixing the price of electricity for 20 years. Thereby, people realized they could actually save money, or even make money by putting a solar panel on their roofs. This security led to banks giving out loans for people to put up solar panels and it's even helped the economy by spawning a nacscent local solar panel manufacturing industry.

Sorry, I've watched most of Live Earth (and contributed to the carbon footprint) and there is frankly zero environmental message or sincerity that is sticking. It's 80% music and pop-culture commercialism. 20% hot air about the environment in a few speeches and comments that I find disingenous or self-serving from certain artists. When I see Al Gore there with all these bands, it actually reminded more of Al Gore and his wife's PMRC campaign in the 1980s about censoring music.

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Hack&Lube Atomic Nerd Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Calgary Exp:	BTW, I am a huge music fan, I have DVDs of Live Aid and Live Eight...(did those accomplish anything in the long run? African poverty and debt is as high as ever) I love these big concerts for the opportunities to hear many great bands, especially ones from the past. And I do care about the environment, I just do not agree whatsoever about the pop-culture sensational frenzy which the movement has taken on. I'm not a global warming skeptic, but I just find it utterly irrational to think that a global concert with have even a drop in the bucket effect on decreasing the world's carbon output in the long run. The people there who are already on the global warming bandwagon are already doing their part. The rest are just there for the music. For the rest of the world, life goes on. If you want genuine change, you need to provide economic incentive. That's the only rule which people obey in general. If you want to save the environment, you need to show people how you are saving them from a future of unafforable energy and giving them energy economy...not hope that a bunch of rhetoric from hypocritical muscians and songs which have nothing to do with the environment will save the planet. In germany, the government has spawned a mass public adoption of solar panels on the roofs of houses, across vast tracts of farmland, on factories, buildings, along the autobahn, etc. by simply fixing the price of electricity for 20 years. Thereby, people realized they could actually save money, or even make money by putting a solar panel on their roofs. This security led to banks giving out loans for people to put up solar panels and it's even helped the economy by spawning a nacscent local solar panel manufacturing industry. Sorry, I've watched most of Live Earth (and contributed to the carbon footprint) and there is frankly zero environmental message or sincerity that is sticking. It's 80% music and pop-culture commercialism. 20% hot air about the environment in a few speeches and comments that I find disingenous or self-serving from certain artists. When I see Al Gore there with all these bands, it actually reminded more of Al Gore and his wife's PMRC campaign in the 1980s about censoring music. Last edited by Hack&Lube; 07-07-2007 at 08:53 PM.