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Originally Posted by rubecube
Meh. I've been one of Cliff's biggest critics on here, but I'm never going to chastize someone for course-correcting when they see what a sham the current iteration of the CPC is.
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Originally Posted by rubecube
That's sort of what I meant. It kinda felt previously that you were discounting a lot of their rhetoric when some of us were sounding the alarm bells.
Anyways, all I was trying to say is that having someone go "Oh, okay. Maybe they are dangerous," shouldn't be met with victory laps and "I told you so."
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CF wasn't discounting anything. He's always been a moderate old school centrist from what I have seen (who has no problem voting Liberal when they aren't drinking the ideological koolaid). He sees issues with CPC leadership and populist elements / Maple MAGA and has criticized it quite openly and a fair bit way many times before. He just seems like a CPC supporter when criticizing the Liberals or policies by some of the more notorious far left partisans on this forum, who's own slant make the center look far right. I've voted Liberal and NDP and yet people think I have ##### Trudeau flags on a pick up truck because I dare to actually criticize our government.
With Carney seemingly shifting the Liberals back to the radical center at least on paper, they become more palatable to someone who wants nothing to do with MAGA while the CPC is choosing to be wishy washy on what's now a clear white elephant. The dislike for what the US has become and the thought of annexation is so strong, that suddenly it becomes a core election issue for many that was not present a few months ago. I do not believe that any Canadian truly believed that Canada's sovereignty was ever at stake until last month. That absolutely changes perspectives.
Do I think that the CPC will turn into North MAGA vassal state with the CPC being elected? No. Had Harris / Democrats have won, I think CPC would have won the election handily as a result of Canadians being deeply angry at the Liberals / NDP, would have legislated several good bills and a few stupid social right ones that they can't help themselves on, but nothing earth shattering or Canada breaking. A good portion of CPC members are still moderate conservatives and Canada just does not have the support for a party to go full MAGA.
Do I think they absolutely need to address that the US has become a fascist state that plans to destroy Canada economically or worse, it has become the #1 concern of most Canadians and that the CPC has some very uncomfortable ties with the far right that needs to be cut out to be electable today that the party previously did not need to address? Absolutely. If they want to stick to their guns and keep Elon Musk's endorsement and association and blame Trudeau / Carney instead of fighting back against Trump, they fully deserve to lose what was pretty much a certain win as they will all but assuredly lose the centrist and moderate voters who may have been pissed off at the Liberals / NDP but are Canadians first, not MAGA hat wearers.