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Originally Posted by curves2000

Then initial source of this was when I pointed out that the current administrations policy of saying out loud that NATO membership won't happen and neither will the the pre 2014 borders, would have been the same if Harris won. It's not like Biden/Harris fought for NATO and Trump is killing that dream. It was never on the table.

I am no Trump fan at all but one of the reasons why Ukraine is in a poor position conflict wise is because of poor decisions by Biden and NATO leaders. The question that still has not been answered by the west is what is the objective of this war for West/Ukraine vs Russia? If the objective is to actually push out Russia troops then what we have given them in equipment and materials is nowhere near sufficient. I still go back to Biden's statement of "Ukraine doesn't need F16's" meanwhile military experts indicate that no modern war has ever been won without strong air support/superiority. F16's arrived WAY too late to make a difference.

There have been enough articles recently where Ukrainian officials stress their frustration with the Biden admin, US policy on weapons and even delivery methods. Zelensky gave a basic example of trying to save money by using the largest freight planes in the world (Ukraine's) to bring in equipment but Biden insisted on using American delivery contractors and charging Ukraine for them, to the tune of billions.

People can bash Trump all they want, it's not like I personally care but it's evident that a war with such strong statements/support from US/NATO shouldn't even be close with Russia. Literally as I was writing this post I went to search for something I recalled months ago and came across this damming piece. I think when we look back in the history books it will be the classic tale. Indecision vs wrong decision. Biden's indecision's will lead to Trump making a bad decision.

https://www.reuters.com/investigatio...il-2025-02-03/

I mostly ignore your drivel, but please address this now:

https://www.politico.eu/article/us-v...n-free-speech/

“The threat that I worry the most about vis-à-vis Europe is not Russia. It’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. And what I worry about is the threat from within,” the vice president said.

The speech caused consternation in Munich, where the audience had been expecting some clarity on the U.S. administration’s recent confusing comments on reaching a peace deal in Ukraine, its views on Russia, and whether U.S. troops will be pulled out of Europe.

“Nuts,” was the reaction of former U.S. ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder. It’s “not the kind of language you would expect in the 21st century and certainly not from the U.S. vice president at Europe’s most important security conference,” he told POLITICO.