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Calgary4LIfe · 02-12-2025, 05:00 PM

When I look back at Treliving's tenure, I just see 4 major mistakes through the years:

1) Poor cap management

2) Constant bleeding of picks
3) Poor coaching hires
4) Failed to address goaltending for the majority of his time here
5) I may be wrong on this one: After the series of trades and the Kadri signing, Treliving was all over the media, even on CBC News as lots of accolades were thrown at him. However, I don't remember seeing him at all towards the end when it seemed the Flames weren't making the playoffs, and the team basically imploded. It did leave a bit of a bad taste with how he just didn't address anything, and just left. I get it - he decided to move on to a bigger market. I just don't remember him in the media at all near the end of the season.

I think these are in order for me personally.

Some of the good things he did:

1) Gave this team some stability, especially in the media. This is why Burke had to be brought in originally. Flames became a laughing stock for a while.
2) Didn't sit on his hands. I really disliked the way that Feaster operated, and it showed in his returns. Treliving had some really good trades, even with the benefit of hindsight. Definitely had some poor ones too, but he undoubtedly made some good ones.
3) Great drafting (which makes the bleeding of the picks even more egregious!).
4) Seemed like a good human being, even after he left. Came to Calgary and spent time with the Snows.

For me, I am just glad that he is gone and someone else is here. We can argue until we are blue in the face about how good his moves were or weren't. The undeniable fact was that under Treliving's tenure, this team never became a contender. Sure, there were a couple of seasons heading into the playoffs where they were labeled as contenders, but hindsight shows that they were never more than a paper tiger, as many teams often are. Contending teams contend, not spend a season out of the playoffs, or getting beaten in the 1st round, or getting creamed in the 2nd round. The team became a tire-fire under his last season, for whatever reason, and he left the organization worse in terms of contracts and assets than when he first took over. I am glad that the new GM in charge was here to see it all unfold and gain some experience from that. I am also really happy that Conroy also seems to place a bigger value on draft picks than Treliving did.

We will see how Conroy does when this team looks to be turning a corner. Hopefully he can get the Flames beyond the 2nd round of the playoffs during his tenure, which I hope is very long (since it would mean the Flames would be successful).

As for the Kadri - Monahan thing: Given where the team sits in their competitive cycle (rebuilding currently), it just sucks that a 1st round pick is going, regardless of which it is. I don't get too worked up about the difference between Calgary's pick or Florida's pick - I am more upset that a 1st round pick is leaving. However, Conroy also has a bit of an opportunity to make that a win. If a Kadri trade ever comes to fruition, I will be comparing the value in that return vs the value of the pick that goes to Montreal. Monahan was traded with an asset so the Flames could sign Kadri to help with competing, and that never happened. If a Kadri trade happens, maybe it will bring a more important asset in return? Who knows? That's making up for the Monahan trade.

I am not counting the 1st that Montreal got for trading Monahan - that happened the following season when Monahan was re-signed as a UFA. Not sure Calgary would have re-signed him that year or not. However, perhaps getting rid of Monahan broke the room that year, especially with Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving. They were all huge parts of that room.

02-12-2025, 05:00 PM	#1210
Calgary4LIfe Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Exp:	When I look back at Treliving's tenure, I just see 4 major mistakes through the years: 1) Poor cap management 2) Constant bleeding of picks 3) Poor coaching hires 4) Failed to address goaltending for the majority of his time here 5) I may be wrong on this one: After the series of trades and the Kadri signing, Treliving was all over the media, even on CBC News as lots of accolades were thrown at him. However, I don't remember seeing him at all towards the end when it seemed the Flames weren't making the playoffs, and the team basically imploded. It did leave a bit of a bad taste with how he just didn't address anything, and just left. I get it - he decided to move on to a bigger market. I just don't remember him in the media at all near the end of the season. I think these are in order for me personally. Some of the good things he did: 1) Gave this team some stability, especially in the media. This is why Burke had to be brought in originally. Flames became a laughing stock for a while. 2) Didn't sit on his hands. I really disliked the way that Feaster operated, and it showed in his returns. Treliving had some really good trades, even with the benefit of hindsight. Definitely had some poor ones too, but he undoubtedly made some good ones. 3) Great drafting (which makes the bleeding of the picks even more egregious!). 4) Seemed like a good human being, even after he left. Came to Calgary and spent time with the Snows. For me, I am just glad that he is gone and someone else is here. We can argue until we are blue in the face about how good his moves were or weren't. The undeniable fact was that under Treliving's tenure, this team never became a contender. Sure, there were a couple of seasons heading into the playoffs where they were labeled as contenders, but hindsight shows that they were never more than a paper tiger, as many teams often are. Contending teams contend, not spend a season out of the playoffs, or getting beaten in the 1st round, or getting creamed in the 2nd round. The team became a tire-fire under his last season, for whatever reason, and he left the organization worse in terms of contracts and assets than when he first took over. I am glad that the new GM in charge was here to see it all unfold and gain some experience from that. I am also really happy that Conroy also seems to place a bigger value on draft picks than Treliving did. We will see how Conroy does when this team looks to be turning a corner. Hopefully he can get the Flames beyond the 2nd round of the playoffs during his tenure, which I hope is very long (since it would mean the Flames would be successful). As for the Kadri - Monahan thing: Given where the team sits in their competitive cycle (rebuilding currently), it just sucks that a 1st round pick is going, regardless of which it is. I don't get too worked up about the difference between Calgary's pick or Florida's pick - I am more upset that a 1st round pick is leaving. However, Conroy also has a bit of an opportunity to make that a win. If a Kadri trade ever comes to fruition, I will be comparing the value in that return vs the value of the pick that goes to Montreal. Monahan was traded with an asset so the Flames could sign Kadri to help with competing, and that never happened. If a Kadri trade happens, maybe it will bring a more important asset in return? Who knows? That's making up for the Monahan trade. I am not counting the 1st that Montreal got for trading Monahan - that happened the following season when Monahan was re-signed as a UFA. Not sure Calgary would have re-signed him that year or not. However, perhaps getting rid of Monahan broke the room that year, especially with Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving. They were all huge parts of that room.