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Originally Posted by Firebot

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...ript-1.7445425


Here's the transcript. Was Matt Galloway on the Current.

Basically, he pans it as a report from a judge perspective without an intelligence perspective and having too many connections with Trudeau (nearly to the level of the David Johnston rapporteur farce)

You are welcome (I have top notch googlefu skills). This stuff tends to get scrubbed into the backpages and void if it doesn't fit a narrative. The focus has pretty much just been on Poilievre and the security clearance question.

Top notch google-fu? It’s the first result if you search the guy’s name and “hogue.” Which is a pretty high result for a radio transcript scrubbed into the void. It’s also pretty prominent on The Current’s page, it can be listened to here: https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio...n-interference

But I’m not sure it’s what he’s talking about, and it’s the wrong reporter.

Regardless, some more interesting bits from the segment relevant to what we’ve been talking about:

MG: What would you like to see change then? If it's not a flow of information, which that was pointed out in this report, that intelligence was failing to reach some senior decision makers. But you're suggesting that perhaps those decision makers didn't want to receive the intelligence in the first place or at the very least wanted to shape the narrative. What has to change? This matters because it's about the integrity of the democracy.

MICHEL JUNEAU-KATSUYA: You're totally right. You're absolutely right. And I would go even further. This has been going on since Mr. Mulroney and every single prime minister have received the information that we were confronted to foreign interference. Every prime minister either ignored or used it to its personal gain or political gain. So there's nothing new under the sun to a certain extent. And what this prime minister is blamed for has been done by others in the past. What needs to be changed in order to answer your question, we need to review basically the culture of national security culture, the culture of protecting this country. And what is important is what is at stake here. The problems of national security issues is much more profound than only foreign interference as we see. I think this is the tip of the iceberg that reveals to us that there is a huge iceberg that needs to be tackled and look at as we speak. And this is the problem with this report. Unfortunately, it reveals something without giving us necessarily all the tools to change it. And the problem that we're facing is the timing. The timing also sucks because currently, we're having the government is not even sitting in the house. When it will come back, it will call for election. The election will drag again for a full year before the other government, whoever it is, tackle this issue if they want to tackle this issue seriously. The problem is right from the get go. In 1984 when Mr. Pierre Eliot Trudeau created CSIS, it created by design the system that we're facing today. And by design, it failed as projected and expected. And this is the problem that we are currently facing, is that the message is controlled by the decision makers, and they take what they want and they leave aside what they want.

MG: Thanks for being here. How satisfied are you with this report?

CHARLIE ANGUS: Well, I think what it shows is, is that Canada has a culture, a political culture of indifference when it comes to putting protecting Canada over party interests. It's a mediocrity of indifference. And I think what's unfortunate is a lot of attention is on the word traitor. So, you know, Justice Hogue said it didn't meet the test of traitor, just a lot of dimwits who are willing to be used, ethical lapses and questionable judgement. And we'll focus on that. But I think the big issue here with her statement was that she says, quote, The single biggest threat to democracy is online interference and disinformation. It is an existential threat. And so, Matt, I think the issue of, you know, trying to monkey wrench a local riding association meeting is kind of like stagecoach robbery when we're talking about 21st century methods of electoral interference and undermining. And that's the larger threat posed by the platforms like X, by Meta, and the ability of bots, deepfakes and AI. And we are simply not ready to deal with what's going to hit us in this coming election.

MG: Can I just ask you, before we talk about that, about something that you posted on another platform. This is on Bluesky, and it is about, maybe this speaks to what Michel was talking about when it comes to the culture of understanding interference. Pierre Poilievre, leader of the Conservative Party, says that he will no longer receive security briefings from CSIS. You said this is a no brainer. Pierre Poilievre lives in a 19-room mansion funded by the taxpayer and refuses or can't get security clearance. Something stinks here. What are you suggesting?

CHARLIE ANGUS: Well, the question is, is who doesn't put Canada first?

MG: Are you suggesting he's not putting Canada first?

CHARLIE ANGUS: Absolutely. What kind of person is going to run for leader of the country and not get a security clearance and get briefed on threats to our nation? I mean, I know it's a bit of a ridiculous example, but I mean, my poor mother has to get a security clearance to do food programs at the school. We've got a man who's going to be prime minister, who's the story in the media now is he's not getting it. He's refusing to get it.

MG: He said that he's not getting it because he wouldn't be able to act on that information.

CHARLIE ANGUS: Well, that's ridiculous. How could he act on the information if he doesn't know what it is? So again, I think what, I think, Matt, that that's the issue and the bigger problem. And, you know, Mr. Trudeau certainly comes in for a lot of condemnation in Justice Hogue's report, is that we're seeing partisan interests over the nation. And Canadians are not being reassured that in the larger global threats, and we are in a very dark, dark time with everything from Russian bought information to a president who's threatening our sovereignty, that we have the steps in place to protect the integrity of our nation. And I don't see that. I don't see that with Elections Canada. I don't see that with the willingness of the government to step up at this time. And we may be barreling into an election very quickly. So I think we have to talk about this and raise some alarm bells.