[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Firebot

What is it with folks like you and making #### up. No one said it's so much cheaper.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesco...eline-or-boat/


Clearly Cappy knows better than the gas and petroleum industry building all these silly costly pipelines instead of boats...on land.

We don't use boats to get oil from the Alberta oil sands to the Gulf refineries...because we have pipelines in between. Shortage in capacity causes us to need more pipelines (why we needed Keystone XL). Alberta has this silly inherent problem of being land locked where boats don't work and we have this mass of land between two oceans.

We don't send oil from the Alberta oil sands to the Saint John refineries...because we don't have pipelines in between and it's more cost effective for Irving Oil to buy from Saudi Arabia (the whole ship thing). There's of course other factors at play, but to dumb it down to lol 15th century Ottoman sultans use boats is quite inept when we are a country with a large land mass

If the goal is being energy self reliant across the country, we need pipelines across the country to make transportation cost effective on land versus going by boat through the Panama Canal because current infrastructure does not exist. It's absolutely better in the long run.

Ok man, my response was to Jason Kenney's tweet which tried to simplify energy easy and 40 years of Canadian Oil and Gas transportation to: look how far boats have to go. over land much shorter.

So, im sorry, Jason Kenney's tweet was dumb.

With respect to the pipelines in the graph, those are in the US, which is operating under an entirely different regulatory framework, and the majority of those lines were built decades ago, prior to changing environmental regulations.

Building a pipeline in todays climate is risky and expensive. i don't think you would disagree with this, no?

Shipping materials by ship is cheaper and establishing new shipping routes is arguably easier than building a pipeline, no?

if you agree with those two statements, then we can agree that Kenney's tweet was disingenuous and dumb, which i post here, again:

Imagine if Canada had a way to get our #EnergyEast, maximizing its value and moving to greater 🇨🇦 energy security.

Instead, companies will ship oil on foreign tankers, through the Panama Canal, and around the continent.

Makes a lot of sense.

That was the entirety of my comment. Kenney's tweet makes no sense. Further, if we take his tweet at face value, we could've maximized the value of Alberta oil shipping it on pipelines to NB. Instead, it now has access to BC ports and is being shipped by tanker. It has greater access now than it would have under Energy east.

In response to the first bolded part: no ####, sherlock. that was my point.

In response to the second bolded part: no #### sherlock, that was my point; however, the main issue here is that the free market/private enterprise has cheaper and easier options to ship oil, and has been doing this for decades.

So what do we do about that? does private enterprise pony up the cost to increase production, profit, and energy security?

Or is it on the government to build pipelines like TMX to make sure these things happen.

If its the first one, how do you convince them?

If its the second one, then maybe we should look at some type of Energy Program that is National in scope. An EPN or something like that....