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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I think even the most pro-Ukrainian people understand the situation Ukraine is in. No one denies that 15% of Ukraine is now occupied by Russia or that the war is devastating to Ukraine. The point is that Russia isn't "winning" either. Ukraine has inflicted a higher magnitude of casualties against Russia and prevented them from reaching their original war objectives, all while also watching Russia destroy their economy. I would argue that the fight they put up possibly prevented Russia from taking other European territories in the near future. If Ukraine would have rolled over, I think it is very likely that we would currently be talking about Russian aggression on a different country right now, but Ukraine has pretty much made this impossible... for now at least.
As much as I hate to say it, a post-war Ukraine may not recover all of their lost territory which sucks big time. Even Zelenskyy has been preparing Ukrainians for the possibility that will have to accept that Russia will maintain control over the occupied areas for the foreseeable future if there is going to be an end to the war. But if or when this ends and Ukraine successfully defended 85% of their territory and affirms their sovereignty against a country everyone thought would walk right over them, it won't be a total loss. It is kind of like how Finland stood up to the USSR in WW2. They had to cede territory but it probably also ensured their overall survival as an independent nation.
There is also the possibility that a post-Putin Russia one day will return some territory.
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You're not wrong on any particular point, except the bolded is far, far, far, far, far, far, far less likely than Russia regroups and takes more territory after any concession. The point always gets missed.
This isn't war vs peace. It's just not. It's the current awful war vs worse future war. There's an absolute Zero percent chance Russia signs something then gives up. If anyone has any delusions about this being about NATO encroachment or any other gullible chicken feed, it should be dispelled by now.