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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
This isn't true at all. Mosques, schools and their government have been creating terrorists, as have the agencies like the UN. The Palestinians need these sources cleaned up and for them to teach people to make peace with Israel. They need good leaders. There will have to be some deradicalization in the region, similar to post WW2, and Palestinians will have to reconcile with their past.
I don't know of any pro peace movements that exist for Palestinians, we can't even find one in this thread - besides pro Israel posters that want peace.
Post WW2 didn't result in Japanese or German or Jewish or British or American or Russian or Canadian terrorists. All your statement does is infantilize Palestinians and denies serious issues that exist within a segment of their population. At some point in time, they have to see what corner Israel has been pushed into and how they too played into that.
Prior to October 7, most of us thought it would take time, but the prosperity of Israel, for both jews and Muslims, would be a motivator for normalization. And while that has worked with assorted neighbors, it hasn't for anyone linked to Iran - they seem to want the total destruction of Israel as their cause, they say so and do so. Post October 7, I no longer see in any way peace with the Palestinians, unless the radicals are removed from their society and they surrender.
You can argue any point I made and I am sure you will, but as other posters have repeated numerous times in this thread, Israel is making the big decisions here that will impact the Palestinians the most. Israel does not care what the UN or the world thinks, they truly believe they are the focus of a major war and maybe got a bit lucky this time, and will fight back with everything they have based on what they believe is an existential threat.
Of course there is a big decision Palestinians can make, and that is to surrender and make peace with Israel, true peace, eliminate any radicals and negative influences. They must lean on the west to rebuild and reject what brought them to decades of conflict.
None of this means Israel always made the best decisions, but some of the accusations in this thread are just so over the top, I just can't see this working without a complete turn in Palestinian expectations.
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Stop spreading lies. There is plenty of evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, that decades of suffering foisted on the Palestinian people, while being robbed of land and told to shut up and accept their lot, have led to radicalization, and it makes it much easier to do the religious based indoctrination when you have an actual enemy controlling your borders, and wielding power and their military over you any time someone steps out of line, and using collective punishment to do it. Don't be ####ing daft. This is human nature, and comparing it to WWII stuff is NOT THE SAME THING, but it's a handy well you and your ilk seem to go to in this thread, which makes me think y'all read the same propaganda.
Hell, Israel's actions are radicalizing people all over the world against Jews, as you have seen, so it's not even just happening in Palestine. OPEN YOUR EYES. Anyway, go do some Googling about radicalized Palestinians and maybe you will start to see why continually treating people like animals turns them into animals. Might be less surprised when you get bit.
As to the bolded bit, well yes. Israel has been the one making the big decisions that HAVE impacted the Palestinians since they decided to create a state by taking other people's lands, homes, and murdering them. Their very first moves were extremely poorly thought out, but hey they had God on their side(sound familiar?) so they just had to keep doing it. And they'll continue to have to keep doing it, until they change their ####ing strategy.
I know you don't believe any of this, but that's what makes you unable to understand how people could do something so evil on Oct 7th.