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Originally Posted by GullFoss
I dunno. Killing 50,000+ people and destroying 92% of buildings in a country to save 100 hostages is something that won't be easily forgotten. There's going to be some people who think "yeah that will show them, they'll never #### with Israel again."
Meanwhile, many other people will view it as a permanent stain on the reputation of Israel and the people who live there. Within less than a decade, the global consensus will be that it was collective punishment and genocide. And the gain to Israel security is going to be slim because Iran has demonstrated their ability to launch precision attacks at key Israeli infrastructure.
The negative repercussions will not be confined to Israel's reputation. The lack of intervention to stop Israel destroys what little was left in the moral standing of America and it's western allies after the dubious war in Iraq. That is a clear win for China, Russia and Iran. Meanwhile, the US has gained nothing and Israel has gained a tiny bit of additional territory.
Perhaps some people in America or Canada can convince themselves their team stills has the moral high-ground. But for most people around the world, America and it's allies are no different than the the their opponents. Its America's weapons and American's cover and America's money that Israel is using. Israel's genocide will be America's genocide.
As China continues to rise and builds it's sphere of influence, the west will find itself with many fewer friends than they expect.
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This may well be correct. In grand scheme of things, it's a US/West war against Iran and Russia. Ukraine war and Gaza war are two fronts of the same war. So is Syrians brief war, that toppled Assad. Much like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Korea were merely different fronts of a global USA-USSR war.
From this point of view, it is not good vs evil, but more like two powers fighting for the influence. All historical arguments, even if they are historically accurate by themselves, are merely fed into people in order to rally them for wars. People on both sides are brainwashed into believing that the other side is an existential threat to them, so they should destroy them. This becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, as once the other side is brainwashed into destroying Israel, they do become a real, not imaginary, existential threat.
The reason why Iran wants to destroy Israel is because they view Israel as USA proxy in the region. This view is actually correct. Whether it's a legit reason to destroy Israel is another question. Similarly, though, Ukraine war is happening because US wants Ukraine in their sphere of influence and Russia doesn't want to have a large US proxy at their borders. Again, this is still not a legit excuse to invade Ukraine.
That being said, if you look at it this way, Gaza war is the way to a long and enduring peace.
Destroying Hamas in Gaza would not only rescue hostages, but also root the Iranian proxy out and make it clear that messing with American proxies in the region would wipe you out. Much like clearing Hezbollah from Israel's north border, although bloody, resulted in more stable situation up north. It's basically a short term pain for long term gain. The only argument that could be made is that maybe Israel should have done it in less bloody way. I do hear this argument. However, I think that
1. It's speculative. Maybe going this hard was the only way.
2. Israel is doing the job that UN forces failed to do. UN had a decade to root out Hezbollah and major powers had two decades to root out Hamas. They did nothing. So now Israel is doing the job the best it can. I could here you if there was somebody else willing to take Hamas terrorists out of Gaza in less bloody way, but there were nobody.