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Old 12-01-2024, 02:49 AM   #14657
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Originally Posted by GullFoss View Post
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...itory-ukraine/

Ukraine getting ready to accept defeat and let Donald Trump negotiate for peace.
First, framing this as "accepting defeat' is a weird take, when what we're really talking about is giving up on total victory.

Second, Zelenskyi has long been willing to negotiate on soil, it's even a part of his Victory plan. It's however worth noting that Zelenskyi can't make that call without a national referendum, at least not according to Ukrainian constitution.

Third, when you dig into the details of what Ukraine means they are "willing to negotiate", it doesn't mean what a lot of people seem to think it means.

For more, I suggest the section of this video starting at about 47 minutes. The key thing to understand is that Ukraine has been defining victory as a return to 1991 borders, which means they would end with more land than at the start of 2022.

So when Ukraine says they are willing to give up some land in exchange for peace, the land they typically mean is they are willing to officially give up on the land they already lost control of back in 2014.

(Also: if it's in the Telegraph, it's never accurate and rarely news.)


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