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Originally Posted by Fuzz
The US didn't, a ####weasel did. He's not even in power yet. And no, it's not reasonable to lump us in with Mexico describing the problems, because as has been shown many times, the issues at the Canadian border are pretty mild and even less an issue than the guns coming the other way, but you don't see us threatening tariffs to void a trade deal the same ####weasel negotiated himself.
What is pro-Trump is to validate the bull#### because people don't like Trudeau. Like, how dumb to people have to be at this point to believe you are going to just give Trump what he demands, and that's the best path? Do people pay that little attention?
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I agree with some of your points. Especially with looping Canada in with Mexico. That's utter garbage. Even if we're slipping, they are night and day worse. We should be demanding an apology for being grouped in with them and China. Behind closed doors we should be doing what many provinces have suggested, and work with the US to deal with Mexico (which may be exactly what JT and co. are up to). I also think Trump is being an #######, I'm with you there.
However, Canada is in a pretty weak position relative to the US on sheer size, but also how we have acted and governed ourselves in recent years, and we shouldn't ignore that because Trump is being an #######.
Fighting back hurts us, but so does rolling over. Sadly, a predator like Trump knows it. I suspect he's going to somewhat let off after scoring a few wins, especially because energy tariffs will hurt the US too (especially in a La Nina winter), and the solution is probably a combination of giving in and making new demands. I simply think its fair to point out that this is partially our fault for being so vulnerable (and frankly, some of these failures are prior to the current Libs, so its not merely a partisan issue).
We also threw the doors open on immigration to attempt to salve the demographic/real estate nightmare we have and we have some significant issues arising from that which do affect the US. We also have growing issues with our border, the numbers show that, and its easy political points for Trump to jump on that (whether I agree or not is immaterial... for the record, I think he's being a bully and a brat). However, just because Mexico is worse doesn't mean we aren't a problem too. Difference is, we're historically a good neighbour and so its notable when we're slipping.
Should Canada raised issues about guns and drugs during the Biden administration, maybe. But we didn't (and maybe for good reason because tariffs hurt us more).
Should the government sought retribution (or tariffs) when Biden cancelled Keystone and crushed Alberta's investment? Again, maybe, regardless where you may stand on KXL, right or wrong, "Team Canada" isn't it? We didn't... I'm sure in part because some cost-benefit analysis with some politics for good measure.
We are also in a position of weakness because we have had bad policies and our economy is vulnerable. That's on Canada to some extent (though I don't see PP fixing many of the systemic issues either).
My point is its simply not a black and white issue. There's lots of blame to go around. I think Trudeau and his current cabinet are amongst the worst ever (and there have been some dumb moves by Harper, Martin, Chrétien. etc.) and their policies have increased our vulnerability somewhat, but its so much more nuanced than "Ha Ha Screw Trudeau" here (though you're right some people may just be enjoying another issue under his watch, and that's wrong, IMO).
Its a complex issue and there is a lot at stake. But we have to acknowledge that things are not going great here at the moment either, and eventually, others notice that.