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Originally Posted by SebC
My point is if you consider chanting to be cause for slaps, what about Palestinians who celebrated Oct 7? Who voted for Hamas?
With the soccer fans you support assaulting them and I don't, so your concept of proportionality at the low end of the scale actually justifies a higher response than for me. I'm curious if that stays consistent.
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Your use of words is telling regarding trying to minimize their behaviour and refusing to acknowledge what they did and who they are.
Chanting? They were singing a song of celebration at the mass murder of children, infants and babies. Not to mention their outright racism.
Can you name me a soccer "chant" ever that comes close in terms of vileness. Just one. They're in a league of their own when it comes to "chanting".
Soccer fans? Have you got a problem describing them for exactly what they are? They're a bunch of vile, racist, infanticide,genocide loving hooligans who went looking for trouble.
Assaulting? You're trying to imply they are some sort of blameless victim? You call it assault, I call it a well deserved slap. And that's all they got. A slap.
Why should there be consistency? The two groups aren't consistent. One is a group of trouble seeking genocide celebrating hooligans. The other is a group of blameless children.
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Originally Posted by SebC
That's not what I'm saying. My point is that if you can't positively define an acceptable, alternative response, then you're only viewing one side of the conflict. All you are doing is going in circles asking me to repeat my denunciations of targeting civilians. I denounce that. Now what?
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You're hyperfocused on some sort of definition of what an appropriate/proportional response is which I agree isn't an easy task to describe.
But for whatever reason you don't seem to want to acknowledge addressing the issue from another angle. You're hyperfocused on asking the question from only one angle when there are other ways to answer it.
Like, what are considered inappropriate, unacceptable, disproportional responses?
What should Israel NOT do and not have done? Isn't that what they're being judged on?