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Originally Posted by Weitz

So you don’t have any companies doing this?

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

Originally Posted by gasman

I didn't ask for a signed confession, you are the one making the unfounded accusation. I asked for an example and your only answers is "lots".

I kinda thought the sarcasm would be pretty obvious but I will concede that no you absolutely did not ask for it in writing if that’s what you’re looking for.

Yes there are lots of examples. Me not outright naming the companies doesn’t mean that what I’m saying isn’t happening. If you want to call me a liar or go on a ramble accusing me of protecting those companies like another poster did then that’s fine because you doing so also doesn’t make those things true either

As for manufacturing and construction they make up roughly 12% of the TFW program and largely, again, in unskilled labour.

Sure. What does that have to do with supporting your argument that there are absolutely no companies with good long term vacation entitlements hiring TFWs?

I'd probably want to understand what industry has Citizens and PR lined up to work and they are taking on TFW instead.

Well I did name a few industries.

I don't agree with your premise that companies paying good wages (I'm excluding seasonal, retail, food, etc) are picking TFW even if they have PRs and Citizens lined up.

It doesn’t matter if you agree with me. It’s happening.

You do understand that the investment in training someone new every 2 years would out weigh 2-4% in vacation pay right?

Vacation entitlements aren’t the only things that increase.

Just for fun, how much would the training costs be for the specific industries I listed? Are they all the same?

When it comes to seasonal, retail, food, etc, where most of the TFW end up, there likely isn't a line up of PR and Citizens to do those jobs for $15/hr.

That’s not an argument for why it isn’t happening in other industries.

I'm sure some of the TFW that work these jobs may be treated poorly or taken advantage of because of the limitations of the program, but I don't feel that is reason enough to change the program so people can come and then figure something else out if they don't like the job. We should be fining employers, and revoking their ability to use the TFW program if they abuse it, we just need to enforce the laws that we have in place already.

It’s extraordinarily rare for an employer to get fined for abusing citizens and PRs so I’m not sure how helpful these laws we have in place are going to be in protecting TFWs.