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Originally Posted by Bagor
Racist chanting. "Kill all Arabs" Celebrating mass murder of children?
Beating taxi drivers. Destroying property.
And you want to just call it speech? Wow!
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These are, literally, speech. And if the destruction of property you refer to is one flag, that's largely symbolic and offends more because of what it says than the economic/replacement value of the property. It is more offensive than it is destructive.
Even if it's hate speech, the fact that it is some kind of speech is relevant to assess the appropriate response. All speech shares certain traits, for example it does not directly cause bodily injury. And I accept the use of force to suppress incitement to violence! But that force should be judicious state force, not indiscriminate mob violence. Only where the state is incapable or unwilling would vigilantism be justified.
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Originally Posted by Bagor
Oh the horror! They got what any other soccer fan gets on a European night when they go to a foreign city looking for trouble.
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Even if responding to speech with beatings is common, that doesn't make it right.