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Old 11-14-2024, 01:00 PM   #14484
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction View Post
I don't think the Ukraine's Western allies deserve the criticism they get for giving Ukraine just enough to hang in there, but not enough to push them over the top. Escalation of the conflict into one that is global is real threat. It's a threat if Ukraine is completely defeated and a threat if Russia were to be unequivocally defeated. It's a real delicate balance. For me, this war was always about hanging on until something changed in Russia enough that they agreed to end it.

I know some people downplay the threat of nuclear war, but I don't think it is an unrealistic outcome if things play out is a particular way. The number one job of Western leaders is to prevent nuclear war.
If it was just a matter of Western choice, I would certainly choose a higher level of support. Lots of room between Ukraine barely hanging on and Ukraine marching on Moscow. Certainly, I'd give them enough to take back Zaporizhzhia and Kherson. And I'd probably want to flip Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk too. Once they control all their territory you worry about Ukraine taking the offensive to Russia, but the threat of turning off the taps should handle that possibility easily.

Nuclear war is already heavily dissuaded by the West's own nuclear arsenal.
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