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Originally Posted by nfotiu
When I say progressives, I am going with the 2016- definition of Bernie supporters/Bernie Bros/Progressives. Prior to 2016, progress was being made. If there is a better name for that group, let me know.
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You referred to “progressives” during the civil rights movement the same way.
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
The last couple pages read like "you should have listened to us", or here's a random Tweet showing why we were right. That's fine. But what did or does a winning message to the working class look like?
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We just saw it. They’re worried about their jobs and putting food on the table. Their concerns over inflation and immigration stem from those things.
You can take solace in the fact that Trump lied to them and is actually going to make their lives worse if you want, but that doesn’t explain why Democrats, armed with the truth and the reality that even if their lives weren’t going to get better wouldn’t get worse in the same way, couldn’t or wouldn’t convey that message just as powerfully.
Trump actually spent a significant amount of time speaking directly to the concerns of the working class. These are the same kind of concerns progressives have been talking about. Establishment Dems didn’t, or couldn’t bring themselves to talk about. Maybe because their nominee was part of that establishment and weren’t able to speak to the fact that people are scared and struggling because it would mean owning that. But hell, people like Lanny who cry about how you should just ignore people you disagree with used Biden’s election as proof that you didn’t have to listen to progressives at all, now he’s whining about progressives costing Dems the election. So pick a lane.
Are progressives and the working class important or not? Because if you’re saying they cost you the election, they are, and it’s time to look inward. If you’re saying they aren’t, then stop pretending they cost you the election.
At the end of the day, the Democrats can make a decision to appeal to the people they want to vote for them… or not. And I’m not talking about saying how much worse Trump would be. I’m talking about focusing on the issues that matter to them and speaking to them at their level. Or not. But if not, stop then turning around and blaming them for costing you the election or being too hard to reach. It’s embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
I've heard more than a couple progressive, white college kids living fairly privileged live say things like "I'm not voting this time around because it doesn't really make any difference to me"
Maybe it is only 4-5 people, or maybe it is a million, but it's not zero, and the common language makes it sound like they are being influenced by someone.
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Tens of millions of people didn’t vote. Do you think they’re all progressives? Hell, why would you even be surprised if those millions weren’t made up by people of all political stripes?
You can label people progressives all you want to serve whatever gripe you have with them, but why make up people when you’re talking to one right now that does care about those people, voted for Harris, but still sees where they went wrong? l
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
Do those guys care that I had a couple female (one gay) employees call in yesterday morning because they were distraught to show up?
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Why are you asking me? Ask them.