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Old 11-07-2024, 10:44 AM   #453
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Originally Posted by curves2000 View Post
I don't know where the superiority comes into play with the down talking to people who are not perceived as smart or ones with an education in something higher than a high school diploma. I am by no means a big Trump fan but the amount of higher educated, wealthy, uber wealthy and successful business people who are in favor of a lot of his policies is very high. The Democrats did get a lot of celebrity endorsements from high profile people but Trump did have some of the worlds heavy hitters up to batt with him all along, not just social media posts. I fully understand that people like Bezos, Musk and a whole host of billionaires are going to benefit substantially from these policies but there is the other side of the coin to be debated..
Sorry Everyone taking the bait.

I think your premise that Trump carried Wealthy / Successful people is unsubstantiated. And you are drawing on a few high-profile examples, rather than looking at this statistically. I can do that too, Mark Cuban, didn't really prove my point.

I also think it's a big leap to say that wealthy / successful = smart. There are a ton of reason people end up wealthy and successful, and it would be hard to boil them down to a single cause such as 'smart'.

On a statistical level, education would seem to be the best corollary for smart, and Harris carried the most educated group 61-37. Not a damning indictment of Trump, but definitely shows that people how have had more opportunity to learn have a strong preference for Harris.

On a personal level, I really can't watch even 4%-5% of what Trump has done or said over the past 9 years and square the idea that an interested, engaged and thoughtful voter can think he is a legitimate choice on any level, unless their intent is something I would find to be pernicious. So when I do meet a Trump supporter, even while I might use kinder words I cannot help be believe they are either pernicious, disinterested, disengaged, or unthoughtful.

The pernicious, I just don't think there are that many of the people. I think there is a large group that could care less if others are harmed, as long as they 'improve' their lot in life. I'd challenge them on what improve means, because I do generally believe there is a sense in which a rising tide raises all boats, and if you drain the pool everyone will sink. But there is a lot of good research that people care more about their well being relative to others over their net wellbeing, so it stands to reason that someone these people don't mind being worse off, as long as they are better off that others.

I would really like to think that Trump voters are just disengaged people that don't know what they are doing. But the more you talk to these people the more you realize that they are very much engaged, a lot of what they say has pretty questionable grounding in reality. But they really do know who Trump is, and they really do know what he is saying.

The Disinterested, again is a group who I would minimize the impact of, because I assume they are exceedingly likely not to vote.

So in my world view, I am left truly believing that a plurality of people willing to support this weirdo are unthoughtful, as in not thinking about the veracity of statements they hear, and not thinking about the consequences of their actions. You can call it dumb it you want, it sounds pretty dumb to me.

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