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Originally Posted by Mathgod
So what it comes down to is (IMO), everyone who understands the danger (it is not hyperbole to describe it as unprecedented danger) of a 2nd Trump presidency should vote for Harris, even if they have serious disagreements with her regarding Israel/Gaza. After all, letting Trump win won't save any Palestinian lives, and will likely result in a worse situation for them.
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You totally ignored my point just so you could reiterate this talking point again.
I get it, Trump freaks you out, you don’t want to live if he’s Big P. But from the bottom of my heart, calm the #### down and listen to what people are saying.
If you’ve built “the right” into this evil monolith voting block, yet regardless of the real or imagined danger, you employ the exact same rhetoric and thinking that enables people like Trump and DeSantisand allows them to thrive.
This is not a game you can switch on and off. You argue you shouldn’t have any principles because “the other side” doesn’t. That’s not how principles work, you’re just justifying not having any. Whether you want to admit it or not, there are going to be a lot of good, principled people who for one reason or another vote Trump. It’s just the way it is. They’re not all evil crazy rednecks that want a fascist to kill all their enemies. Whether it’s differing political views, a differing sense of the “danger,” or just a lack of education, there’s a whole swath of people that will vote Trump that would, in fact, vote for someone a lot less crazy and a lot better for America.
So yeah, you should believe parties need to earn a vote. This isn’t controversial, unique, or something that you can just “pause” for one election. The fear mongering stuff just is not effective. And, at the end of the day, there’s very little you can do to convince someone how to vote, so you need to be happy with how you approach things. I’m not sure you realize it, but you are really good at projecting your own approach onto what you imagine as the very worst parts of the right wing.
As much as people like yourself don’t want to admit it, if Harris loses, it isn’t because of people who care about issues you don’t, or non-voters, or even Trump voters. It isn’t because she’s Black, or a woman. It’s because they ran a shruggie campaign and expected to win because they weren’t Trump. Instead of getting their head out of their ass and actually understanding the people they’re trying to govern, they maintained the status quo. Instead of capitalizing on the momentum they had, they said “no thanks” and immediately went back to the boring, uninspired Democratic Party we all know and love.
And you know why they do it? Because they’ve got people like you (not you, because you can’t vote) that will literally vote for them no matter what. They don’t have to earn your vote, or even care what you think, because you have no principles or interests that would stop you from voting D. They can do whatever, because there’s people like you. And so if they lose, it’s on them, and it’s on the people that enable them to mail it in.