The collective punishment discussion is as thrilling and morally irrelevant as the 'what is an explosive device' discussion. Just helps to carry water for people who are happy to see human beings killed while others dither around.
'Dad, is it wrong to kill tens of thousands of people who you've cut off from the world?'
'Son, bring over Annals of Law History, Volume IX, 'Legal definition of Collective Punishment.' And while you're at it, also grab Volume XII, 'Rigging Grandma's Phone to Explode: Why the onus is on Grandma and why it's not really an 'explosion' per se' so that we can do a thought experiment together. It'll be really interesting.'
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