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Originally Posted by Sliver
Yeah, I've been on that page for a long time, too. It is in the west's best interests to aid Ukraine in bleeding Russia. I know I don't want my 18-year-old heading over there, so I don't expect any other westerner to want their kid going to Ukraine, either.
Also no point in letting Ukraine in NATO. They're a better buffer for us between Russia and NATO countries as is.
That perspective is, of course, ice cold toward Ukraine and their people; however, from a strategic perspective that advances - and preserves - the lives of people in the west I'd say the west is doing things well so far.
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You and I have been discussing this since the beginning but I think the west/NATO is in kind of a pickle on this. The west can't and should not allow Russia to swallow Ukraine as the message it sends to other adversaries is quite loud and clear, you will face consequences if you want to expand your military and economic powers elsewhere.
A lot of countries like Poland are really concerned about a lot of the US and NATO dithering when it comes to action and support because they don't really know what it would mean for them, if and probably when Russia expands. Sure Poland is NATO a are other countries but let's get real, how much would that really matter in some ways?
Plenty of US Presidents have given Putin very stern warnings about a lot of things and been written off. I have no doubt in my mind that the US and other strong NATO countries like France, Germany, UK and more would be really well protected in case of an attack. Would Estonia be? Do we see significant public and global militarily support for the protection of downtown Talin? Northern Canada?
This new crew of Russia/ China/India/ North Korea and Iran etc are the ones who are looking to take over