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RedHawk12 · 10-01-2024, 06:34 PM

The only trade Conroy has objectively won, from a purely "quality of assets returned" POV, is the Lindholm trade.

All other trades where we feel Conroy has done well, has to be assessed circumstantially, taking into account that we are rebuilding and do not need aging vets as much as picks/prospects. And the thing with media assessments of trades is that media doesn't take into account circumstances of the team when assessing trade grades. They only look at quality of assets in/quality of assets out.

Take the Toffoli trade for example. Perennial 20-goal scorer Toffoli for 13-goal scorer, playoff healthy-scratch Sharangovich is not a good trade, objectively speaking, for us. It's only a decent trade when you consider that Toffoli is a pending UFA, unlikely to re-sign, playing for a team not expected to make the playoffs (and is therefore not of any value to us) and Sharagovich is younger, under team control, and has room to grow.

Look at the Markstrom trade. One of the few true bona-fide starting goalies in the league (not a time-share goalie) for a likely low 1st round pick and a current bottom-pairing D with low offensive upside is, objectively, a win for NJ. Only when you consider the circumstances - that we are rebuilding and have no use for a 35 year old goalie, that we get a 1st which is invaluable for a rebuilding team - that it seems like a good trade for us too.

The truth is, these assessments are fairly useless. Only time will tell if we did well. All trades for rentals are a waste if the trade doesn't help the team to a long playoff run. Any trade for picks and prospects cannot be considered a win until those picks are turned into players. It's way too early to tell for any of these trades, one way or the other.

The only exception I would say is Lindholm. That trade was a steal from day 1.

10-01-2024, 06:34 PM	#37
RedHawk12 Scoring Winger Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Calgary Exp:	The only trade Conroy has objectively won, from a purely "quality of assets returned" POV, is the Lindholm trade. All other trades where we feel Conroy has done well, has to be assessed circumstantially, taking into account that we are rebuilding and do not need aging vets as much as picks/prospects. And the thing with media assessments of trades is that media doesn't take into account circumstances of the team when assessing trade grades. They only look at quality of assets in/quality of assets out. Take the Toffoli trade for example. Perennial 20-goal scorer Toffoli for 13-goal scorer, playoff healthy-scratch Sharangovich is not a good trade, objectively speaking, for us. It's only a decent trade when you consider that Toffoli is a pending UFA, unlikely to re-sign, playing for a team not expected to make the playoffs (and is therefore not of any value to us) and Sharagovich is younger, under team control, and has room to grow. Look at the Markstrom trade. One of the few true bona-fide starting goalies in the league (not a time-share goalie) for a likely low 1st round pick and a current bottom-pairing D with low offensive upside is, objectively, a win for NJ. Only when you consider the circumstances - that we are rebuilding and have no use for a 35 year old goalie, that we get a 1st which is invaluable for a rebuilding team - that it seems like a good trade for us too. The truth is, these assessments are fairly useless. Only time will tell if we did well. All trades for rentals are a waste if the trade doesn't help the team to a long playoff run. Any trade for picks and prospects cannot be considered a win until those picks are turned into players. It's way too early to tell for any of these trades, one way or the other. The only exception I would say is Lindholm. That trade was a steal from day 1.