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Originally Posted by Language
No doubt that Israeli government has their own extremists. But I’m cheering for the country and people that ultimately want to live in peace with their neighbors, and not the ones that perpetually start wars, are death cults, and celebrate martyrdom.
Regarding the balance of power - this is just the way it goes. That’s not to say Israel doesn’t need to make concessions as part of a two state solution. But look back in history. The countries that are more powerful, have won wars, or are militarily stronger are always the ones that will dictate terms. It’s always been this way and will continue to be. It sucks for the Palestinians but eventually they also need to look in the mirror and figure out if they just want to accept a deal (perhaps a ####ty deal), or live in perpetual misery, blockades and bombardment.
The thing is, even before 10/7, it was in Israel’s interest to just maintain the status quo. Keep Gaza isolated and blockaded (because Hamas is in power). Keep slowly expanding settlements in the West Bank to build out a buffer with Palestinians. Israel was essentially playing the long game because despite the constant uprisings in West Bank, and threat of Hezbollah across in Lebanon, that was still a more desirable outcome than negotiating for peace. Because you can’t negotiate for peace with terror organizations. That shouldn’t even need to be typed out because it’s obvious.
Before 10/7, if Israel woke up one morning and said, “ok, enough of this: “here’s Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem as your capital; we’re lifting all blockades so you can import/export whatever you want: build up your military as you wish; live in peace and let us live in peace”. Do you think this would have satisfied Hamas/Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad? Does anyone here truly believe they all would have said “mission accomplished!” and set aside their extremist agendas and lived in peace with Israel? There’s just no way, and anyone who believes that is extremely naive or has no understanding of how these groups operate or what their ultimate goal is. All it would have done would have moved the dangerous groups even closer to Israel’s border - essentially a suicide wish.
As long as Hezbollah/Hamas exist and Iran is funding them, and yelling that the Zionist enemy must be defeated, there is absolutely no opportunity for peace and no opportunity to even begin discussing peace.
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You can't recognize those facts and also not recognize that's exactly why there was a slaughter on Oct 7th. You get that, right?
Also, " It sucks for the Palestinians" has got to be the biggest understatement of the century. "Sucks" doesn't come close to the suffering they are being put through by Israel, who could stop it any day, if they chose not to make people suffer. But they don't. I guess it's easier to hold your position when you downplay this kind of hell as "sucks".
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