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Old 09-18-2024, 09:40 PM   #21410
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Well yes and no... while you bring up a number of valid points, I think it's a mistake to categorize what Trump is trying to do in terms of simply "better" or "worse" than what Bush did. Trump is doing something fundamentally different from what they did. Trump is trying to completely unravel the US system of government and replace it with a Putin-style or Orban-style dictatorship. Bush never attempted to do any such thing.

There is nothing worse anyone can do (aside from dropping nukes) than dismantling democracy. Because then it means the people no longer have any hope of determining their own destiny. They forever have no choice but to bow their heads and accept whatever fate the God-King has in store for them.

While it's true that Bush and Cheney are war criminals of the highest order, US foreign policy has been filled with psychopathic murderous decisions dating back to the dropping of nukes in WWII. So while Bush and Cheney are moral vacuums, I don't buy into the notion that they began the process of what Trump is trying to do to America with Project 2025. If anything, I'd lay more of the blame on right-wing think tanks (ie: Heritage Foundation) and their right-wing extremist funders.

Racism - still a serious problem, but I think things are far less problematic today than they were during slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, etc.

One other thing - Trump putting 3 extremists on the SC helped him lay the groundwork for the death of American democracy, if he were to get a 2nd term. The overturning of Roe and the delaying of Trump's trials is proof that they will not hesitate to do anything he wants them to do.
Bush put Alito on the court so he has 1 of the votes and Roberts also concurred that he was willing to uphold the Mississippi law of no abortions past 15 weeks and essentially said he was unsure on the broader issue. So the Bush appointees have had a strong hand in limiting rights of individuals. Roberts had embraced his role as swing justice when it was 5/4 so I think he was a reasonable appointee but Thomas(Bush 1) and Alito are certainly worse than Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
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