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Originally Posted by Firebot
This isn't a gotcha. For years they have backed the carbon tax / carbon pricing and includes it in their platform, never once complained about the consumer carbon pricing portion being a problem, with only vague about the Liberal plan being bad (or not doing enough) and that their plan is better.
The NDP did not have epiphany here. Whether Singh did his statement to help the BC NDP, or to give a boost to salvage one of the safest NDP ridings from turning Conservative, this was not done because he sees a better way, as they have not put a concrete plan and won't comment if it will have consumer carbon pricing.
Let's look at your stance on Poilievre and back to work legislation which is a totally fair stance. There is certainly no reason to take his word for it considering his past. I certainly wouldn't expect someone to vote for him because he just made a statement on the pilots until he backs up his words while in power. Actions speak louder then words. Conservatives have certainly given unions little reason to trust them, it take time and actions to build that trust.
Singh's statement has been panned considering his longstanding message. He's not getting kudos, he's being outright ridiculed. Both the CTV and CBC panels absolutely roasted Singh on it.
"Incoherent"
"No credibility"
"No principles"
"His political antenna is bent beyond bent"
Just a few words from the panels
And you think we should give him kudos because he changed his stance out of desperation when he could have done it a year or two ago when inflation was peaking if he was genuine?
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I don't think he deserves Kudos, I think he needs to be fired. Just a few pages ago I was ok with him, and I think I was pretty direct in that him getting an election called would really lose my support for him. And his recent actions have pointed us in that direction.
I also think this press conference was ill-timed, or if it was just answering a question, then he should have handled it better. But he didn't. Why the NDP doesn't have their own climate plan ready, even in a bare bones format is a huge failing.
My argument with you, is in the characterization that his position has changed. I still don't think it has, from day 1 he has been against how the Liberals carbon tax policy is set up and wants industry to pay a lot more than it does - but that doesn't mean that consumers should pay nothing.
He had entered an agreement, which to be fair to the Liberals, seemed to be working in good faith on both sides. In the CBC clip I totally agree with the bent antenna comment and he should have included it in the original C&S agreement, but he didn't. (who knows, maybe he tried and the Liberals shut that down).
I don't see any change in messaging that the
NDP plan is not the Liberal one, and the other point I saw in that clips was that "It is unrealistic to expect the NDP to carry water for the Liberal plan". You can argue that he carried water during the terms of the agreement, and he did. He also supported a lot of other Liberal policies, and I am sure not all of them aligned with the NDP but he kept his side of the agreement in good faith.
His failing right now is honestly the same as the CPC, that there is no actual
NDP plan. Him having no comment on whether his plan would include a consumer carbon tax, is not the same as axing the tax, so all sides are playing the politics game.. but Singh was dumb enough to leave himself open to attacks from the Liberals and the CPC.
Singh's time is over as leader of the NDP, especially with this debacle. He set himself up, and the other parties have no problem taking him to task for it.