I quite liked the first one. The Phoenix performance alone made it worth watching. Not a favorite movie for me, but one that I needed to see and have no regrets having watched it. But yes, not really a Joker movie at all. More a social commentary type movie. What having the movie named Joker did was allow the movie to take place in a less realistic reality, without ruining the suspension of disbelief for the audience. The writers could focus on the plot points and social commentary and do so in a reality without realistic bounds.
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