[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If a win is worth 3 points sometimes and 2 points other times, that consisted an extra point for no real reason. Isn’t a win a win?

No. That is not an extra point, because exactly three points are awarded for every game played.

You just argued that, in the NHL, the winner gets 2 points no matter what so one of those couldn’t possibly be the extra point, yet in 3-2-1-0, the winner in overtime clearly deserves less points than the winner in regulation. Based on that, it’s reasonable to believe the 2nd point the winner gets in overtime is the extra point.

I told you: The NHL has always given two points to the winner of a game. Formerly, those were the only points awarded.

So the extra point is the point not normally awarded. Meaning in 3-2-1-0, the extra point is the 3rd point in a regulation win.

No. The third point in a three-point system is not extra. The third point in a two-point system is extra.

Sorry that you can’t rely on vague “game theory” while I present real situations that disprove your belief.

Sorry that you can't understand how game theory actually applies to real, live games.

The Flames were in the playoffs in 21-22, the Habs weren’t. Another factless reach.

I meant to say '20-21, and I thought I said '20-21. Take a look at the standings for the ‘North Division’ in the post-Covid year. Or be an ass if you prefer; and I can see that is what you prefer.

You pretend to be better and more mature than this, but you can’t even stop yourself from undeserved insults when talking about point systems. Too bad. Better stop playing victim and crying foul if you want to start trading them.

I'm not crying foul. I'm pointing out that you use insults instead of arguments. If I use insults, they are additional to arguments.

I thought the AHL was one of the teams “copying the NHL’s stupid idea”

If the NHL hadn't had the stupid idea, they would never have instructed the AHL to test it for them.

So, it’s how people refer to the point awarded to the team that loses in overtime, not just “an extra point.”

It is, in fact, the only time that an extra point is awarded.

Guess I understand the English language a bit better than you.

You clearly do not. If you want to insult me, I suggest you take the trouble of finding out what my actual faults are instead of trying to make things up.

The 3-2-1-0 system was adopted AFTER the two point system was adopted, therefore. This introduced an ADDITIONAL point for regulation wins. The winner of the game sometimes gets 2 points, and sometimes gets three. To any sensible person, THAT point is the extra.

See how this works?

That is not how it works. The Euro leagues and NCAA scrapped the entire previous system and designed a zero-sum three-point system from scratch. The NHL retained the existing two-point system but added a third point that is given out in some games but not in others.

So far you:
- were wrong about which leagues have a point for overtime losses

I was not.

- were wrong about which league introduced it first

Since the AHL does nothing except on the NHL's orders, I was not.

- were wrong about the AHL copying the NHL because they wanted to be “just like them”

The CHL copied the NHL because they were imitating it. I notice you don't dispute that.

- were wrong about what the loser point actually is

No, I was not. The loser point is the thi

- were wrong about the 21-22 season

I typed an erroneous number and did not catch it before posting. I suppose you have never in your life committed a typo?

- were wrong about RW pre and post introduction of the OTL point

I'll take my own sources for that over your unsupported say-so, thank you very much.

[QUOOTE]So, I’m just wondering, do you have any actual facts to support your argument or are you just going to keep making stuff up and pretending you’re not the one who is tiresome?[/QUOTE]

I haven't made a damned thing up. You are simply twisting semantics to justify an obviously wrong point of view. When I point out the facts of the matter, you simply deny them and repeat your own unsupported claims.

Who even are you? Nobody cares.

Now you're insulting a third party. Bravo. I'm sure you are proud of yourself and think you have just won the argument.

I'm done with you, like so many other CPers before me. Get lost.