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Originally Posted by Jay Random

All games in those leagues are worth three points. There are no extra points.

Games in the NHL, AHL, and CHL are sometimes worth two points and sometimes three. There are extra points.

In those leagues, sometimes a win is worth 3 points, sometimes it’s worth 2 points. There is an extra point.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You are not understanding the obvious.

I repeat: In the NHL, AHL, and CHL, in some games two points are awarded, and in other games three. The third point is extra.

In leagues where the winner gets three points, that is not an extra point. It is one of the three points that were up for grabs from the opening faceoff.

Sure there is. As I said above.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's not why people complain about the NHL system. They complain because the OT loser is rewarded with a point, even though the winner already receives both of the points that are supposed to be awarded for the game.

As I’ve already explained, that point is rewarded before OT ends. The winner doesn’t receive the points that are “supposed” to be awarded, they receive 2 points. In the event of a tie at the end of regulation, both teams are awarded a point, and the winner receives an extra point.

You even point this out below where you say there’s no incentive to close out in regulation, because if you’re tied, you get a point. How can the winner receive both points and the loser’s be extra if both teams get the point before the game is over?

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Apparently you only know words and not their referents. Has your account been hacked by GPT?

So the “loser point” isn’t the point awarded to the loser? It’s something else? What is it?

Did Microsoft’s Clippy hack your account?

Originally Posted by Jay Random

NO. The extra point is the point that is given for some games but not for others.

You do not, or I would not have to keep explaining it in shorter and shorter words.

THE EXTRA POINT IS THE POINT THAT IS AWARDED IN SOME GAMES BUT NOT IN OTHERS.

If every game is worth three points, there is no extra point.

If every game is worth two points, there is no extra point.

If some games are worth two points and some are worth three, then there is an extra point in the latter case.

Cool, which point is the extra point, out of the three, and why?

Originally Posted by Jay Random

My objection is that every game should be worth the same number of points, and in the NHL they sometimes give out additional points. That provides an incentive for teams NOT to finish in regulation. When the game is tied in the third period, basic game theory says you coast until overtime to guarantee yourself a point. You don't lose anything, because the maximum your team can get is still two points, but you can guarantee yourself at least one point – at the expense of making the game boring for the fans and distorting the standings.

It's not a zero-sum game, and it should be. In every league that gives three points for a regulation win, it IS a zero-sum game.

Which point is the additional one?

You can lose a lot by going to overtime:
- giving a point to a division rival
- losing a point in the tie breaker
- risking a higher chance of a loss if your team isn’t strong on 4v4

The standings aren’t really that distorted. They’re almost identical to 3-2-1-0, just a higher perception of parity which really only distorts individual team evaluation.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If I'm dipping into the insults, it's because you have repeatedly shown

shown… oops.

“If I’m insulting you it’s your fault.”

Do you always blame others for your actions?

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There is nothing arbitrary about that. Formerly, the NHL, AHL, and CHL all awarded two points for a win in any fashion and zero points for a loss in any fashion. They then ADDED a point which is given to the OT loser. This is what is called ADDITIONAL, because it was ADDED to the system they already had.

Sure, but then they TOOK AWAY the point for being tied after regulation. Now THEY HAVE a point for being tied after regulation. No extra.

Also, the AHL actually introduced it first.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

NO, THEY DO NOT. They give out three points in EVERY game. There is nothing extra!!!!!

They award the “loser point.” Please pay attention to what you’re responding to.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

WRONG, and I have repeatedly told you why.

Nope

Originally Posted by Jay Random

WRONG, and I have repeatedly told you why – including just above.

Nope. Gosh this takes forever, just put your response in one block next time.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I am not arguing for any particular position, except that every game should be worth the same number of points in the standings.

Then why are you talking about the loser point?

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Now you're the one resorting to insults. Noted.

Saying you’ll run out of arguments is an insult? My goodness. “Noted.” lol

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Scotty Bowman was against the introduction of the point for an OT loss because it provides a perverse incentive to drag out games to extra time. The reasoning I gave above in this post is identical with his. If you think Scotty Bowman hasn't got an argument other than ‘it's stupid’, take it up with him.

As it happens, the percentage of games decided in regulation dropped sharply when the point for an OT loss was introduced.

Sure, let me just call him.

And RW actually went up the year OTL was introduced.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Well, I've given you my reasons multiple times, but you are apparently unable to read them. I don't know what's the matter with you.

I know, I can read them, I just don’t think they’re particularly well thought-out. That’s what we’re discussing.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It does not award an EXTRA point to losers, which is my entire objection and most people's!!!!!

Neither does the NHL. There’s an extra point available in overtime, and, arguably, it goes to the winner.