[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Such bologna. You were defending putin in 2022. That's a fact. Multiple posts of you defending putin.

This you?

I said, "I've been against Ukrainian war from the start.". And called you out to find the proof of the opposite. You came up with posts that were made before the war. I'm still waiting to see how I allegedly "flip flopped" on the Ukrainian war.


Furthermore, considering everything you quoted was written BEFORE Putin started Ukrainian war, I definitely stand by each of those posts:

How? Being power junkie and habitually murdering anyone who is even remotely a threat to his position does not necessarily imply that Putin is bad at actually doing his job. Conversely, a democratically elected president voted in by The People may turn out to be horrible president. This is why Russians don't want to fight for the sake of some Freedom and Democracy. They look at USA and how they've got to vote for either keeping Trump or replacing him with Biden, and no other options, and wonder whether Democracy and Free Elections would really give us any better leaders than what we have now

We are NOT trying to re-create a Soviet Union. We couldn't care less if Moldova is going to join us back. Or Kyrgyzstan. Crimea is a bit of a special case, as it is historically a Russian, not Ukrainian, land. And even Crimea annexation happened as a response to the coup that toppled an elected president. Otherwise though, no reasonable Russian wants a war just so we could look at the map and say "Look, Armenia is in the same country as us now, cool. I can go visit there. Wait, I could do it before the war anyway, so what was the point".

The following two posts below are no longer true oviously, but were true at the time they were written, that is before the war:

I get what you're saying, but when Russia did the same in Chechnya, westerners said it's a war. You can word it differently like "prevent Ukrainian regular army from moving into the region and massacre it's own people" (who are rebels and thus mostly criminals). Basically Putin's point is that he wants to prevent blood shed that would happen had he not recognized rebel republics. It is kinda phony, but not as egregious as it may sound

I would take Putin over both Bushes, Trump and Biden. Probably not over Obama and Clinton. Putin is also notorious for putting really skilled people in key government roles.

So, I will ask again. Where do I say anything even remotely close to supporting Russian war in Ukraine or flip flopped in my opinion about the war?

This is what I wrote on the first day of the war, when everyone was expecting Kyiv to fall within weeks:

Originally Posted by Pointman

This war is extremely unpopular in Russia and Putin knows it. He doesn't care about it. Crimea was very different. First, it was bloodless. Second bringing Crimea back was a popular idea. Third, the way Russia executed it did display a lot of skill of our army.

This one is ENTIRELY different. First, it's a bloody war. No reasonable man wants a war and Russia, despite Putin's propaganda, is not exactly filled with lunatics. Second, there are 2 millions Ukrainians living in Russia. I have met Ukrainians at every job I had and dated two Ukrainian girls. So did most of Russians. We don't want to kill Ukrainians. Third, we don't quite get the point of the war. It absolutely will not stop NATO, but rather make them come at us. It also would lead to severe economic consequences, at best.

Maje no mistake, what Putin is doing right now is extremely unpopular. It also does not seem to matter.

And regarding Putin, this is what I wrote in the first day of the war. When everybody expected a victory parade soon:

Originally Posted by Pointman

He absolutely ruined his legacy today, no matter the war outcome. And, provided he's still sane, he knows it. Russians are feared and shocked by these developments

So I definitely stand by every post I made since the first minute of the war and still challenge you to find any flip flopping. My point that I was against the war with Ukraine from the start still stands. Your accusations that I initially supported the war and flip flopped when I faced the risk of conscription are shown false.