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Ped · 07-05-2024, 05:04 PM

The thing is, these people are going to the Conservatives not because they like them (I don't think) but because they see no other alternatives. They are tired of Trudeau and feel like he has lost the plot, and see (presumably) Jagmeet as just propping up the Libs (which is more or less true).

I suspect (with admittedly no empirical evidence) that this is a protest vote just to get the current Liberal leadership out. I've said it before and I'll say it again, there literally is no good option to vote for. Even if you think the Greens should be a viable alternative, the fact that May pushed herself back in didn't do anything to convince people that they are that viable alternative.

I've voted Conservative all my life (although I didn't vote in the last election). Yet the Conservative Party's unwillingness to cut ties with the far-right, and their willingness to cozy up to people with so much hate in their hearts, means I could never vote for them in their current iteration.

O'Toole really did try to bring them closer to center, recognizing that if you want to hold power, not just win a random election every now and then, then that is the key - not appealing to the fringe, but to the moderate. Never mind whether you believe that ideologically, the simple fact is with the way elections work, it's the cities that carry the elections, and more specifically, usually Toronto. There are 138 ridings in the rest of the country, and 199 in Ontario and Quebec. With all due respect to the other provinces, support there simply doesn't mean enough.

So yes, the cities may vote PP this time, but in many cases they won't be voting for him, but against the Libs/NDP.

One of the biggest criticism of the Libs is that they view themselves as the natural ruling party. But you know what? They're probably right. The Conservatives in one form or another have won 19 elections. The Liberals have won 25.

But since 1963, that number is 13 to 6. More than double. And Trudeau is in no rush to call an election because every day, Doug Ford is making the Conservatives look worse. He just shut down the science center because a couple of roof panels were in danger of collapsing - in the snow. The LCBO has just gone on strike.

PP probably will get in, but not because voters embrace him. I have a strong belief that first chance, he'll be right back out.

07-05-2024, 05:04 PM	#12902
Ped Franchise Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ontario Exp:	The thing is, these people are going to the Conservatives not because they like them (I don't think) but because they see no other alternatives. They are tired of Trudeau and feel like he has lost the plot, and see (presumably) Jagmeet as just propping up the Libs (which is more or less true). I suspect (with admittedly no empirical evidence) that this is a protest vote just to get the current Liberal leadership out. I've said it before and I'll say it again, there literally is no good option to vote for. Even if you think the Greens should be a viable alternative, the fact that May pushed herself back in didn't do anything to convince people that they are that viable alternative. I've voted Conservative all my life (although I didn't vote in the last election). Yet the Conservative Party's unwillingness to cut ties with the far-right, and their willingness to cozy up to people with so much hate in their hearts, means I could never vote for them in their current iteration. O'Toole really did try to bring them closer to center, recognizing that if you want to hold power, not just win a random election every now and then, then that is the key - not appealing to the fringe, but to the moderate. Never mind whether you believe that ideologically, the simple fact is with the way elections work, it's the cities that carry the elections, and more specifically, usually Toronto. There are 138 ridings in the rest of the country, and 199 in Ontario and Quebec. With all due respect to the other provinces, support there simply doesn't mean enough. So yes, the cities may vote PP this time, but in many cases they won't be voting for him, but against the Libs/NDP. One of the biggest criticism of the Libs is that they view themselves as the natural ruling party. But you know what? They're probably right. The Conservatives in one form or another have won 19 elections. The Liberals have won 25. But since 1963, that number is 13 to 6. More than double. And Trudeau is in no rush to call an election because every day, Doug Ford is making the Conservatives look worse. He just shut down the science center because a couple of roof panels were in danger of collapsing - in the snow. The LCBO has just gone on strike. PP probably will get in, but not because voters embrace him. I have a strong belief that first chance, he'll be right back out.