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This film is complete propaganda like all other films by Moore. It's highly sensationalistic and full of many inconsistencies and glossing over of realities.
His visit to Cuba, for example was highly irregular and there are websites out there that show what the true average Cuban hospitals look like and it can be grim.
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Like I said, this part seemed to be setup. I'm sure the Cuban govt
put on a show for them, knowing it would be in the film.
However, his basic premise still stands, Cuba offers universal health
care, USA does not.
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
That said, the film is based on earnest grains of truth and it is a powerful film indeed. For a population who needs something dumbed down and dramatized like Moore presents it, it is the proper tool to really make people stop and think about how things are being run because there is an essential problem there and I shudder to think what it would be like to exist in the U.S. Health Care system and how people fundamentally treat each other.
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Some of the stuff in the film is so foreign to me, and I'm sure others.
I can't imagine being asked to leave a hospital because they are not
"authorized" to help. Or having to show insurance or the ability to
pay before treatment. Or having to choose treatments, never mind
the stuff about choosing bankruptcy over living.
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The U.S. system wastes billions and billions in the accounting, bureaucracy, legal, and infrastructure of maintaining their private system with HMOs and all the red tape. Trim that off, stop making doctors and nurses thinking about being their own bill collectors, feeding lawyers, paying millions of insurance investigators, cutting out trillions of forms, paying astronomical salaries to private companies and medical company CEOs...and you'd probably have a maintainable system after several years.
The main problem is that the U.S. system is so broken and the lack of proper medical treatment is so historically engrained that there has been no preventative treatment and there are many, many, many more chronically sick people who were just never able to get help...and it would flood and crush a universal system if they tried to implement it from the start.
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The problem is in the trim. Too many people making too much money to
just let it go. All those insurance companies, lawyers, investigators,
bureaucrats with paperwork, ad nauseum, they all have a lot to lose.
They won't allow it to happen, because they want the "trim" in their
pockets.
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I look at my grandparents who have gotten free preventative medical treatment for decades up here in Canada and I shudder to think what it woudl be like if they could never afford that over all these years and their problems just piled up and got much worse over time. The worse the condition, the more geometric the rate of costs to provide proper treatment.
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I know of a family in such a situation. Moved to USA, spent a couple
of years there. 2 youngest have some disease that costs a fortune
in USA, and a lack of adequate care caused by lack of money.
Moved back to Canada to much better care and few costs.
For the person who wondered earlier, my Dad worked most of his
working life in Canada, and has only been in the USA for the past
10 years. So, he's already paid his taxes, in fact he retired in Canada,
before "getting an offer he couldn't refuse" in the USA. He could
be sitting in Canada retired for the past 10 years, but decided to
put it off...for a while. Now contemplating complete retirement.
ers