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Originally Posted by accord1999
I think that is an unavoidable problem as Canada hasn't built real warships in a long time, and nothing of the size and complexities of these destroyers. Or really any ship of any kind, to be competitive you need very large shipyards that are constantly building military and civilian like in East Asia. Even the US is seeing a lot of trouble because the government is the only customer left for its few remaining shipyards.
Meanwhile the same shipyards in China that are churning out warships at an incredible rate are also building huge numbers of civilian ships, enabling an extremely experienced, large and efficient work force and supply chains.
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Ok, I'm going to rant a bit and its not about your post.
But right now we're in a military emergency. The Halifax's are past their life span, the Arctic Patrol vessels aren't good, and our Submarines are done.
We need to maximize our dollars because we have a small defense budget.
I get the idea of Canadianization and jerbs, I do, and the pride of building our own. But right now its bull####. Right now we don't have the ship yards to properly do that, in fact when Irving got the contracts for the new ships. PArt of that deal was they were supposed to upgrade their ship yards to do it on their dime, but instead they basically blackmailed the government to pay for the yard upgrades.
We also can't afford to over spend on anything, we need to squeeze maximum dollars, so spending 4 billion dollars per frigate is an atrocious waste of money, when other companies are building Frigates for a quarter of that.
If there's something that we can get off of the shelf, then pull the trigger on it, if we can get it with a savings and reduce the coast of the Frigate program to 30 or 40 billion instead of 66 to 77 billion, like its being estimated, then guess what, take that 27 billion and plow it into a 4 ship submarine fleet.
Instead we're pissing away money that we don't have. And these projects are going to delay forever and continue to go up in cost, and we're going to lose experienced members who don't want to serve on rust buckets.
We need to be smarter with our defense dollars. And the dream of Canadian manufactured ships is done because guess what, nobody else is going to buy them, so what happens after a limited production run of 15 ships? That's right nothing.
Rant off.