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Calgary4LIfe · 06-27-2024, 12:15 PM

Flames' Vets:

Backlund is probably the only vet that prefers to stay here for the moment, as he does have notable personal records here. I am sure he would exchange those for a cup, but it is so hard to pick the right team. I can see him staying here until the deadline the year his contract expires. Here are the records that Backlund can achieve:

Points: He is 7th at 531 with the Flames. Suter is 6th with 564, Gaudreau 5th with 609, Nieuwendyk 4th at 616. MacInnis is 3rd with 822, so that's unreachable.

Games played: Backlund sits 2nd all-time on the Flames with 990. Jarome is 1st with 1219. He will have to stay healthy for the next two seasons, and then re-sign and play exactly 66 games of that following season to pull ahead of Jarome. Do-able, but tough.

Goals: Backlund has a chance to really shoot up the list here. He sits 9th with 200 goals. 9th is Gaudreau with 210, 8th is Monahan with 212, 7th is MacInnis with 213, 6th is McDonald with 215. Probably has a shot at Roberts (5th) with 257 if he stays healthy and doesn't regress too much. 4th is Nieuwendyk with 314, and out of reach.

Assists: Backlund sits at 7th with 331. He will catch Giordano at 6th who has 366. Don't think he can catch Gaudreau at 5th with 399, especially with less talented goal-scorers around him, but who knows. I would say Suter at 4th is likely out of reach with 436.

Penalty Minutes: Just for fun here. Backlund sits 26th. He will likely pass Sarich in 25th spot with 462. Backlund does already have a season of 76 PIMs, so Todd Simpson is in striking distance this season at 24th with 500, Musil with 505, Phaneuf at 522. I would figure if Backlund plays out these two seasons, and signs for an additional 3rd to become the all-time games played leader, with his regression he may end up taking more sticking penalties and interference penalties, and maybe get as high as Doug Riseborough at 17th with 583. I doubt he has enough runway to reach Tim Hunter (1st) with 2405 though!

Anyway, I think he probably stays and tries to hit the all-time games-played record. He wants to win a cup, and it was Conroy who sat him down and showed him the record books apparently, saying he can still achieve something special here in Calgary.

Rasmus probably has some loyalty to the franchise. He grew up here in Calgary's system. However, does he want to stay through a rebuild? That's questionable.

Everyone else - Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar and Coleman - would probably prefer to move on at this stage. They may like Calgary as a city, they may like their teammates, the may like the team and how they are treated by the team, and they may like the fans and how it is here compared to some other markets like Toronto or Montreal. However, they each signed here because they thought they were signing with a competitive team with a legitimate shot at winning the cup (and got paid generously, obviously).

Weegar has the most value and it isn't even close. You can trade him for a good return.

Coleman may not have value given his age. It isn't a bad contract, but teams are always hesitant to trade for players with a lot of term left, unless it is a sweetheart deal. Tough contract to move without retention.
Kadri I think is impossible to move without retention. He turns 34 before the season starts, and has 5 more seasons left to go at 7 million. I expect regression. People keep saying that the cap is going to go up, so his deal won't matter, but I disagree. Deals like this is what forces managers to have to bridge a young guy sometimes, or have to include sweeteners to get rid of this deal, or buy him out and have dead space. When you already have Huberdeau's deal on the books, it is still going to be a big percentage.
Huberdeau - he is unmovable.

I would trade any of these that I could. Sign some other good vets on higher priced short-term deals to insulate the kids, especially Wolf. Take on other teams' bad contracts that are short term for sweeteners to insulate the kids. However, I would definitely be looking to move Kadri asap, I would be motivated to trade Coleman after his career season, and I would be listening on Andersson and Weegar right now.

06-27-2024, 12:15 PM	#6598
Calgary4LIfe Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Exp:	Flames' Vets: Backlund is probably the only vet that prefers to stay here for the moment, as he does have notable personal records here. I am sure he would exchange those for a cup, but it is so hard to pick the right team. I can see him staying here until the deadline the year his contract expires. Here are the records that Backlund can achieve: Points: He is 7th at 531 with the Flames. Suter is 6th with 564, Gaudreau 5th with 609, Nieuwendyk 4th at 616. MacInnis is 3rd with 822, so that's unreachable. Games played: Backlund sits 2nd all-time on the Flames with 990. Jarome is 1st with 1219. He will have to stay healthy for the next two seasons, and then re-sign and play exactly 66 games of that following season to pull ahead of Jarome. Do-able, but tough. Goals: Backlund has a chance to really shoot up the list here. He sits 9th with 200 goals. 9th is Gaudreau with 210, 8th is Monahan with 212, 7th is MacInnis with 213, 6th is McDonald with 215. Probably has a shot at Roberts (5th) with 257 if he stays healthy and doesn't regress too much. 4th is Nieuwendyk with 314, and out of reach. Assists: Backlund sits at 7th with 331. He will catch Giordano at 6th who has 366. Don't think he can catch Gaudreau at 5th with 399, especially with less talented goal-scorers around him, but who knows. I would say Suter at 4th is likely out of reach with 436. Penalty Minutes: Just for fun here. Backlund sits 26th. He will likely pass Sarich in 25th spot with 462. Backlund does already have a season of 76 PIMs, so Todd Simpson is in striking distance this season at 24th with 500, Musil with 505, Phaneuf at 522. I would figure if Backlund plays out these two seasons, and signs for an additional 3rd to become the all-time games played leader, with his regression he may end up taking more sticking penalties and interference penalties, and maybe get as high as Doug Riseborough at 17th with 583. I doubt he has enough runway to reach Tim Hunter (1st) with 2405 though! Anyway, I think he probably stays and tries to hit the all-time games-played record. He wants to win a cup, and it was Conroy who sat him down and showed him the record books apparently, saying he can still achieve something special here in Calgary. Rasmus probably has some loyalty to the franchise. He grew up here in Calgary's system. However, does he want to stay through a rebuild? That's questionable. Everyone else - Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar and Coleman - would probably prefer to move on at this stage. They may like Calgary as a city, they may like their teammates, the may like the team and how they are treated by the team, and they may like the fans and how it is here compared to some other markets like Toronto or Montreal. However, they each signed here because they thought they were signing with a competitive team with a legitimate shot at winning the cup (and got paid generously, obviously). Weegar has the most value and it isn't even close. You can trade him for a good return. Coleman may not have value given his age. It isn't a bad contract, but teams are always hesitant to trade for players with a lot of term left, unless it is a sweetheart deal. Tough contract to move without retention. Kadri I think is impossible to move without retention. He turns 34 before the season starts, and has 5 more seasons left to go at 7 million. I expect regression. People keep saying that the cap is going to go up, so his deal won't matter, but I disagree. Deals like this is what forces managers to have to bridge a young guy sometimes, or have to include sweeteners to get rid of this deal, or buy him out and have dead space. When you already have Huberdeau's deal on the books, it is still going to be a big percentage. Huberdeau - he is unmovable. I would trade any of these that I could. Sign some other good vets on higher priced short-term deals to insulate the kids, especially Wolf. Take on other teams' bad contracts that are short term for sweeteners to insulate the kids. However, I would definitely be looking to move Kadri asap, I would be motivated to trade Coleman after his career season, and I would be listening on Andersson and Weegar right now.