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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
You have made several posts blaming Israel for October 7. That isn’t just a disgusting thing to say, it is false. Israel left Gaza 20 years ago and Palestinians have been in charge independently from Israel from that point on. What did they accomplish in that time? Bunkers and tunnels under civilian infrastructure with arms buildup to attack Israel, rape and murder innocent people and 20 years of rocket attacks. What has Israel done? Continued as a nation and provided for all of its people, including Muslims and Jews.
There will never be a hope for Palestinians as long as your mindset continues. Palestinians need to choose a better future for themselves and actually look at Israel as part of their way out of this mess. Iran and Hamas is not the way.
If you you think you have a better idea on what Israel should be doing, write about it.
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I think where the mood is starting to shift for a lot of people who don't have the same skin in the game as the Isreali's and the Palestinian's/Arabs is on logic. A lot of people hold Israel in a very high regard from a western perspective but that is starting to slip in a big way. Hamas has zero credibility in a million ways but Israel is losing theirs as well.
There are a lot of accidents and tragic circumstances involving very very innocent civilians, accidents that shouldn't happen to the same degree for such an advanced military such as the IDF. Israel claims mistakes and tragic circumstances but when questioned on performance and potential incompetence get's very offended in that regard. Which is it?
Even internally there are a lot of questions if people are being honest. Has Israel done enough to get back hostages? Is that the primary focus of this operation? Can they claim civilian casualties prevention is a top priority when we have innocent Israeli citizens screaming in Hebrew and literally waiving white flags being shot by their own military? If that was your relative killed, would your reaction be "good job but ohh well" or would you question what is going on here?
In a hypothetical scenario if a repeat of October 7th happened but on the reverse side with the Hamas terrorists holding Israeli hostages in Israel, would Tel Aviv look like Gaza? Would the government tell us how good of a job they are doing at protecting infrastructure and civilians??
The IDF has sufficient and high quality evidence to send a single drone into a single apartment building, killing a Hezbollah senior commander but then claims ignorance and a lack of knowledge about a UN food convey from it's US ally, with advanced notice? If you gave a friend advanced notice about a package your sending to their house within an hour, and they killed the delivery guy, would you accept the answer that they didn't know who was at the door?
I fully appreciate and support Israeli security concerns, it's right to exist and the need to protect itself. I really do! But when you have Donald Trump publicly question what is going on here, the IDF needs to hurry up and finish up as it's getting too messy, you need to wonder why your losing people on your side? Bibi used to sleep in Donald Trump's son in law's bed when he would visit sometimes. That's a close friendship and they are losing it.
The overwhelming amount of people are sick of Hamas and their BS but people are also getting sick of hearing the BS from the Israeli government in this operation too.