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Old 06-09-2024, 05:23 PM   #7605
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Originally Posted by Nage Waza View Post
Your exact words were "If your last paragraph is what you believe I see why you support the murder of Palestinian civilians". I don't believe he wants to see any innocent people murdered.

That belief is not dangerous, it is based on facts. For decades, multiple nations have radicalized their citizens, including those in Gaza. Much of the evidence regarding UNRWA has focused on educating Palestinians into believing they will eventually win and destroy Israel. I certainly don't want to see any violence, but that doesn't mean I am naive into believing Palestinians in general want to live in Peace with their Israeli neighbors. Israel has massive security for that specific reason - Facets of Palestinian society focus on destroying Israel. The so called moderate Palestinian Authority under Abbas in the West Bank has a 'pay to slay' system that rewards the murder of Jews (the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund pays out more than a billion/year to those that murder Jews). So yes, it is a fact that there is significant radicalization.

I do believe/know a significant number of Palestinians have been radicalized into believing the murder of Jews is the answer. Hamas was celebrated by civilians as Israeli bodies were dragged through the streets. I have been very clear that the answer will involve reeducation, including mandatory viewing of the terrible videos Hamas filmed during their disgusting attacks. October 7 needs to be looked at as a shameful period of their history with peace as the goal for both sides. I was certainly hoping this was a moment for Palestinians to take over from Hamas and make it clear they are no longer welcome. What we are seeing instead is great support from the civilians. You can see in this thread, no voice for peace from that side, just justification for October 7...they twist words and scream and shout and continue blaming Israel for Hamas raping and murdering.

Remember, this attack took place about 20 years after Israel gave control of Gaza to the Palestinians (despite what all the propagandists on this page states). During this time period, there have been non stop attacks against Israel, including thousands of rocket attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palest...acks_on_Israel). If you are aware of civilians holding Hamas responsible for their ongoing terrorism against Israel, please share.

If Palestinians desire more October 7 attacks and continued rocket attacks, then I certainly believe Israel needs to defend itself - they are completely surrounded by multiple factions that are no different than Hamas. That does not equate that we want people murdered, but it does mean that if war is the only option, then unfortunately that is the path required. Hamas built their military within their civilians and people in this thread justified that, think about that...
There is a big difference between a significant number as you said here and not qualifying it like the poster I responded to did.

Also I’m sorry if you object to calling the current Israeli actions as murdering innocent civilians. Simply stating what it is is not passing judgement on it. If you prefer we can call it having a very high threshold for the choice between 1 dead solider and x dead civilians. I don’t particularly care.
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