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Originally Posted by Bownesian

In my opinion, Right of Return is an extremist position, and not a defendable reason for rejecting the deals.

There are something like 5 million Palestinian refugees (and descendants) and just under 10 million Israelis. Any acceptance of Israel that is predicated on Right of Return is not a real acceptance.

My understanding is this issue is what unraveled Camp David on the Palestine side, it was embedded in the Arab proposal making that proposal moot, and was explicitly not part of Geneva (refugee return was to be a sovereign decision of each new country) and was the largest objection from the Palestine side.

I think it's understandable in some ways that they want that, though. Take, for example, this person who posted on Reddit:

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I could use me and my families own experience as an anecdote to illustrate in short. As someone with Palestinian lineage I have no rights when travelling to my homeland. None whatsoever, no right to freedom of movement, no right to a fair trial, no right to representation or self-determination, no safety, right to expressiom, greatly restricted access to water etc. If I am to visit I am not allowed into Jerusalem or anywhere in Israel without a lengthy permit, even then I am denied entry arbitrarily. I am tried under a military court, I am barred from traveling to my grandfather's home(now subsumed by the nearby jewish-only settlements) etc etc. I could list it for days. Literally looking through the 30 rights outlined in the international convention on human rights it would be far easier to count the rights Palestinians are afforded, than the ones they are denied.

All this, based solely on the fact that I am on Israels "Palestinian population registry". Essentially a list of recognised Palestinians globally. I do not have palestinian citizenship, only British. Had I not been born Palestinian, I would have factually had more rights when travelling or living in the region.

Compare this, to Jewish people. A Jewish person, with the same British citizenship, would be treated equally to me in almost every country on earth. Except in Israel, with government funded free trips, subsidies if they decide to move there and support In establishing new jewish only settlements on stolen land.

We live the absurd reality where a British friend of mine with one Jewish grandmother, who has no real connection to the land is afforded far greater rights to travel and live in my grandfather's old home(in the WB) than I do.
We have a system which clearly and explicitly denies one group of people basic rights, whilst affording another great privilege solely on the basis of lineage. Nothing more. If that isn't a racist state idk what is.

https://www.reddit.com/user/ihaveneverexisted/


I read that and think they make some good points. I have zero ties to Israel, yet given my Jewish ancestry could claim a lot more rights there than this person who has ties to the land.