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Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Gaza had elections and declared war on another nation. If your argument is the Gazans are Israeli, that is a whole other argument that is not supported by anything. Gaza was part of Egypt previously and they don't seem to want it, at all, and have closed their border to Palestinians. Occupied or not, Gaza is ruled by Hamas, and that is all supported by the Oslo Accords.

Gaza last has an election 20 years ago, where despite obstruction from the Israeli government and despite Fatah winning the majority of the seats, Hamas claimed victory and Fatah conceded. This was the same election where the vast majority of Palestinians wanted Hamas to change their stance on Israel.

Gaza was not part of Egypt, unless you’re referring to ancient history. Gaza is also being administered by the PLO according to the Oslo Accords, not Hamas.

None of what you just said is logically coherent, you’re picking and choosing pieces of history to suit your argument. You should educate yourself on the history of the area that you hate.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Israel is not beyond the point of defending themselves, they have suffered from 20 years of attacks and they don't plan on being attacked any longer. Unfortunate reality for Palestinians is that they fully support Hamas who promise to continue attacking Israel.

No, they are. The death toll and destruction is beyond a defence. You can justify it as a military offensive to gain control of a territory if you’d like, but calling it a “defence” is as absurd as calling Hamas’ terrorist attack a defence.

As far as “fully supporting” Hamas, you might want to look to Israel’s leader, who has fully supported and enabled Hamas as a means to disrupting the pursuit of a two state solution and securing his own power. Unfortunate reality for Israelis is that they’re been led by a Hamas supporter.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

There is nothing any rational person could pinpoint that supports any genocide taking place. Funny you ignore the real genocides taking place and focus your time on Gaza. Gaza is in a war and Israel is destroying the military capabilities of Hamas, and that includes buildings. In Ukraine, as Russia advances, Ukraine is destroying Ukrainian buildings that contain Russian military. Ukraine also evacuated civilians, which Hamas prevented. This is not genocide and I am sorry Tik Tok has let you down.

There have been many scholars, all of which are significantly more rational than you could possibly claim to be, that have made the argument for genocide. Just waving them off as “irrational” is avoiding debate, and frantically trying to change the topic is the same.

Funny you also ignore other genocides taking place, I guess. And funny you don’t spend hours upon hours defending the deaths of thousands of women and children. Must be something about these ones you like to see (that’s how this works right)?

Forget TikTok, time to get off Truth Social.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

The area called Palestine was once Transjordan which is now basically Israel and Jordan. The Muslims in the region live in a number of countries now. If you want Apartheid, look at those countries and the rights Palestinians have. Compare that to Israel, and you will find your injustice.

lol. Read a book. This isn’t close.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

At some point you called me racist for stating what is fact, the people in the region had numerous borders thrown at them after the end of the Ottoman empire and they live in assorted countries. I am not sure what is laughable about that, but I could have been more clear - Palestinians live in multiple countries, including Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc.

Like all of those areas but Israel, the borders were based on logical areas of independence. Israel is the only country that was non-existent in any form in the decades prior to the British splitting everything up, and the only reason Israel existed is because of Zionist pressure and mass amounts of immigration to the area. Zionists basically took a section of Palestinian they declared was theirs because of the bible.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

No, I never stated anything of the sort. Israel is involved in a military campaign that they believe is a threat to their existence and believe this is the way it must be fought, as most other countries would also have fought, including the biggest critics right now. Israel without a doubt is following a plan that we might want to criticize, but we certainly don't know what they know. You don't get to pick that plan, nor did Hamas, although Hamas did make the decision to attack. Not only did they choose to attack, they did it when Israel opened its border for Palestinians to work in Israel as part of a path towards peace. That won't be happening again, possibly ever, unless there is massive deradicalization. Palestinians needs to choose which path they want to take, the Hamas route or the Israeli peace route.

Palestinians don’t have a choice, as they are not being given one. Any suggestion otherwise is absurd.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Is Russia committing genocide? What about Ukraine? Or China, Iran, Syria? Yemen? Is everything now genocide? The only people openly bragging about wanting genocide are those that are fighting Israel (Hamas) and the protestors (useful idiots) who are projecting that it is Israel wanting genocide.

Make the case for or against each one. We’re talking about Gaza. Figure it out.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

None of the items were true in this case and not even close. Launch rockets from a building? Building is destroyed. Build tunnels under a building, tunnel is destroyed. It is pretty much the gameplan and most of it is documented and recorded.

That’s the justification, sure. Which is not always the case.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

How about you defend those points you are trying to make about why it is a genocide? Which act did Israel commit to that makes you lean in that direction besides simply being Israel?

Destruction of hospitals, universities and schools, media, government buildings, etc.

Mass amounts of civilian casualties, especially women and children.

Blockade which has caused severe living conditions and makes future progress impossible.

Settlers and land grabs.

Anti-Palestinian sentiments by elected officials, including Ben Gvir.

You’re free to point to another country that is doing all of those things that isn’t being accused of genocide by any number of people.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

The Palestinian population has rapidly increased over the last 20 years and longer, this is not debatable. They have also spent 20 years radicalizing their population so much that Hamas is to this day still well supported by the population, or at least it looks that way because any compromise towards Israel is met with execution. How about Palestinian leader that wants peace? Abbas is considered moderate yet he is a holocaust denier and pays people to murder Jews. Where are the leaders the people need?

Netanyahu has the Palestinian population set up politically exactly as he wants. If you want a better future for Palestinians and Israelis, why don’t you elect someone who doesn’t support Hamas and isn’t being influenced by far right lunatics who are dead set on a never-ending war that breeds generation after generation of Hamas until the whole area is an empty desert?