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Hey Nage, since you keep asking for it. Here we go.
But Gaza isn't a nation. It is occupied territory. Hamas isn't the government because Gaza isn't an independent nation. Israel is way beyond the point of attempting to defend themselves. This point proves nothing.
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Gaza had elections and declared war on another nation. If your argument is the Gazans are Israeli, that is a whole other argument that is not supported by anything. Gaza was part of Egypt previously and they don't seem to want it, at all, and have closed their border to Palestinians. Occupied or not, Gaza is ruled by Hamas, and that is all supported by the Oslo Accords.
Israel is not beyond the point of defending themselves, they have suffered from 20 years of attacks and they don't plan on being attacked any longer. Unfortunate reality for Palestinians is that they fully support Hamas who promise to continue attacking Israel.
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There is nothing any rational person could pinpoint that supports any genocide taking place. Funny you ignore the real genocides taking place and focus your time on Gaza. Gaza is in a war and Israel is destroying the military capabilities of Hamas, and that includes buildings. In Ukraine, as Russia advances, Ukraine is destroying Ukrainian buildings that contain Russian military. Ukraine also evacuated civilians, which Hamas prevented. This is not genocide and I am sorry Tik Tok has let you down.
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Read that bolded part again and then read what you said. Even if we are to agree that Palestinians in Gaza are essentially just the same as the Arabs living in Israel (yes), Lebanese and Syrians (debatable) or Jordanians and Egyptians (laughable), that doesn't mean that Israel isn't committing genocide. Again, any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
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The area called Palestine was once Transjordan which is now basically Israel and Jordan. The Muslims in the region live in a number of countries now. If you want Apartheid, look at those countries and the rights Palestinians have. Compare that to Israel, and you will find your injustice.
At some point you called me racist for stating what is fact, the people in the region had numerous borders thrown at them after the end of the Ottoman empire and they live in assorted countries. I am not sure what is laughable about that, but I could have been more clear - Palestinians live in multiple countries, including Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc.
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Do the Palestinians constitute a national, ethnical, racial or religious group? If you don't believe so, do they constitute part of a national, ethnical, racial or religious group?
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I am not quite sure what that answer is. Is Calgary an ethnic group? Are Gazans different from Israeli Muslims or Jordanians? Those in the region prior to Israel were all called Palestinian, including Jews and Muslims.
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See, now you're just admitting to the crime. And no, just because you dislike the way Hamas operates, it doesn't make genocide OK. Genocide is never OK.
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No, I never stated anything of the sort. Israel is involved in a military campaign that they believe is a threat to their existence and believe this is the way it must be fought, as most other countries would also have fought, including the biggest critics right now. Israel without a doubt is following a plan that we might want to criticize, but we certainly don't know what they know. You don't get to pick that plan, nor did Hamas, although Hamas did make the decision to attack. Not only did they choose to attack, they did it when Israel opened its border for Palestinians to work in Israel as part of a path towards peace. That won't be happening again, possibly ever, unless there is massive deradicalization. Palestinians needs to choose which path they want to take, the Hamas route or the Israeli peace route.
Is Russia committing genocide? What about Ukraine? Or China, Iran, Syria? Yemen? Is everything now genocide? The only people openly bragging about wanting genocide are those that are fighting Israel (Hamas) and the protestors (useful idiots) who are projecting that it is Israel wanting genocide.
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No again, that's not how genocide works. All 5 of those items don't need to be true for a genocide to be occurring. Reread please. Furthermore, I'm sure that since the beginning of this slaughter, the population hasn't increased. Your argument is illogical.
Stop with these accusations. This is silly.
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None of the items were true in this case and not even close. Launch rockets from a building? Building is destroyed. Build tunnels under a building, tunnel is destroyed. It is pretty much the gameplan and most of it is documented and recorded.
How about you defend those points you are trying to make about why it is a genocide? Which act did Israel commit to that makes you lean in that direction besides simply being Israel?
The Palestinian population has rapidly increased over the last 20 years and longer, this is not debatable. They have also spent 20 years radicalizing their population so much that Hamas is to this day still well supported by the population, or at least it looks that way because any compromise towards Israel is met with execution. How about Palestinian leader that wants peace? Abbas is considered moderate yet he is a holocaust denier and pays people to murder Jews. Where are the leaders the people need?