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Originally Posted by Sliver
Do you know if Israel was violent at all toward Palestinians prior to October 7? Like, do you know if Israel killed more Palestinians in every single year than the other way around?
Oh hai, I found some info on that ( citation):
2008 - 2024 - 6,847 Palestinian fatalities at the hands of Israel (data on casualties in the Gaza Strip are not added post October 7, 2023 until these incidents have been independently verified).
2008 - 2024 - 321 Israeli fatalities at the hands of Palestinians.
That Israel is pretty scrappy for a peaceful nation, guy.
Maybe the injuries will tell a different story...oh wait, nope! Turns out the peace-loving IDF likes inflicting injuries on Palestinians, too:
2008 - 2024 - 158,123 Palestinian injuries at the hands of Israel (data on injuries in the Gaza Strip are not added post October 7, 2023 until these incidents have been independently verified).
2008 - 2024 - 6,449 Israeli injuries at the hands of Palestinians.
I assume this will change nothing about how you view the situation lol. |
What a pile of garbage stats you have found. These injury stats and fatalities mean what exactly? I get it, you're angry that more israelis aren't dead, in your mind a country can't defend itself unless defenders have been killed equal to the number of aggressors. You are a true internet tactician.
Like none of these stats mean anything without context, are these from attacks on the defensive wall? Are they from Hamas launching missiles into civilian locations or maybe suicide attacks?
You look at it like "One israeli died so they can only kill one palestinian to prevent that happening again." Why would your garbage stats change anyones mind?
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Originally Posted by Sliver
How is it you guys have amnesia about everything that preceded October 7 lol?
Also, we'll talk about hostages all day long. Hamas should release the innocent civilian hostages. They never should have taken them. It was - and continues to be - a terrifying and abhorrent crime.
Israel should release innocent Palestinian hostages as well (I believe you just call them prisoners since you don't like the term hostages when applied to Palestinians).
Why would you think that's a difficult point to concede haha? Nobody is suggesting Hamas should hang on to Israeli hostages. That's absurd.
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Oh you want to talk about things previous to Oct 7th? The day that ended the period where Israel gave Palestine almost 20 years to rule over Gaza without ocupation?
Heres a list of Palestinian Suicide attacks, you'll notice they kinda tapered off after the wall was built.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...uicide_attacks
What do you have to say about those? If you want to go back even further we can do that too but it only gets worse for your argument. The fact of the matter is Palestine has been forcing this conflict to continue, Israel has always wanted peace and Palestine is the one who refused every offer of statehood picking war instead.