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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
I personally am against forming new nations on the basis of religious and/or ethnic groups. Looking at places such as the former Yugoslavia, they've gone from ethnically integrated places living in relative peace to segregated nations in a state of tension. Ultimately Yugoslavia failed, so maybe I'm the naive one.
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Yet Israel is doing very well. And if things were different, there would be no Jews in the region at all, since every neighbor kicked them out.
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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
That said, what you describe in your next post is the aspect of Israel that I think should absolutely be latched onto/expanded:
These are the parts of Israel that need to be emphasized. In my opinion, having a nation explicitly tied to a religion is at odds of all religions being free and equal. There are many parts of being an Israeli that seem to be different if you are Jewish (gaining citizenship, etc.)
Hateful people are going to latch onto anything they can to appeal to their sense of tribalism. This is not excusable, but Israel as a multi-cultural, religiously diverse nation for all rather than a Jewish nation really defuses that angle of things. Palestinians should be crawling all over themselves to try and move to Israel. I agree with _Q_ in that ultimately the whole thing should be one state. If people can truly live as equals, that is the path.
Could someone obviously Palestinian walk down the main streets of Tel Aviv today and be treated as an equal?
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Yes, a Muslim can walk freely in Israel, could live there and work there too. There is no segregation at all. Except for Muslim neighborhoods, where it can get iffy for other religions to live there. Can a jew walk around in West Bank or Gaza? Not a good idea, but possible (not all areas).