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Originally Posted by btimbit
I just think people need to be less entrenched in their opinions. You're allowed to have nuanced views, you can think left on one subject and right on another, that's fine. Also realize that things change and what made someone conservative 10 or 20 years ago may not apply today, these are just meaningless labels anyway. The common example is that a true Laugheed PC would be a staunch Alberta NDP supporter today. I'm sure some here think I'm some left-wing hippie, and yet left wing hippies that read the gun control thread would think I'm some right wing nutjob.
The biggest thing to me is that if you can't have your views challenged without crying about being suppressed or bullied, then maybe your views suck and you shouldn't share them. If you can't back up your position then your position is weak. Yes, there are many examples of posters that are dickheads about it, that doesn't erode an entire side of the political spectrum. If your response is just to get your back up and dig in, I say grow up.
But if I say something dumb, and someone calls me out for being dumb (believe me, it's not an unusual oocurance), I'm not going to cry about an echo-chamber. If you're consistently being presented well-thought-out arguments on why what you're saying is silly, then maybe, just maybe, what you're saying is silly.
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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
Pepsifree has certainly been unduly antagonistic by sprinkling a dash of snark in each of his well researched and reasoned posts. It's too bad that perennially online people who feel the need to point out that perennially online people are not a representative sample of humanity or in-person interactions also seem to be really thin skinned and revert to pointing out that perennially online people are not a representative sample of humanity whenever a topic challenges their preconceived notions. Because complaining about how other people engage in a topic is way more fun that engaging in a topic. Or something.
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The saddest part about these two posts is that, on a forum where:
- middle aged men who have been members for decades talk about people “terminally online”
- “echo chamber” gets trotted out in response to one guy presenting actual points on a topic and a handful of guys saying “it is how it is and that’s how it should be”… and the echo chamber comment is actually directed to
the one guy
- someone complains about antagonism, despite having told trans kids to take bullying on the chin and mocking someone because they were told to kill themselves
- a COVID denier complains about how everyone hates CP and his only reference are lunatics who call it SOCIALIST LEFTIST MARXISM CCCP (but hey, there are dozens of us!), yet those are the people he’s decided have a point
…they stand out as so astonishing logical and adult that it’s almost surprising. I mean, it’s not like you guys are presenting earth shattering stuff here, but on a forum where a few guys make it about how wronged they are and how everything just ain’t like it used to be, they stand out.
I mean, who would’ve thought, the secret to someone pushing back on your opinion ISNT whining about antagonism, group think, and echo chambers… it’s using your brain and giving it another consideration!